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Which Form of Leftism is The Best?

Left-Libertarianism
125
55%
Yes
66
29%
Left-Authoritarianism
37
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Total votes : 228

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Yusseria
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:56 am

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Fahran
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Founded: Nov 13, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Fahran » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:02 pm

Communal concils wrote:What if SWERFS, TWERFS, Brocialist and Tankies unite into one group.

We'd revive Iron Chancellor Bismarck to achieve peak counter-revolution.


Shalom, chaver. You fought for a worthwhile cause.
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Communal concils
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Postby Communal concils » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:07 pm

Fahran wrote:
Communal concils wrote:What if SWERFS, TWERFS, Brocialist and Tankies unite into one group.

We'd revive Iron Chancellor Bismarck to achieve peak counter-revolution.




Incorrect, Pol Pot would be a better replacement.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Communal concils
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Postby Communal concils » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:08 pm

Fahran wrote:
Communal concils wrote:What if SWERFS, TWERFS, Brocialist and Tankies unite into one group.

We'd revive Iron Chancellor Bismarck to achieve peak counter-revolution.


Pol Pot would be a better replacement.
Last edited by Communal concils on Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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United Muscovite Nations
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Founded: Feb 01, 2017
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:09 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Fahran wrote:We'd revive Iron Chancellor Bismarck to achieve peak counter-revolution.




Incorrect, Pol Pot would be a better replacement.

Now that's one boy who certainly didn't do anything wrong!
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:09 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

Incorrect, Pol Pot would be a better replacement.

Now that's one boy who certainly didn't do anything wrong!

Pol Pot didn't go far enough
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:09 pm

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Yusseria
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:10 pm

Fahran wrote:
Communal concils wrote:What if SWERFS, TWERFS, Brocialist and Tankies unite into one group.

We'd revive Iron Chancellor Bismarck to achieve peak counter-revolution.


Shalom, chaver. You fought for a worthwhile cause.

Blood and Iron.
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Communal concils
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Postby Communal concils » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:15 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Now that's one boy who certainly didn't do anything wrong!

Pol Pot didn't go far enough



Follow Angkar, and it will give you "Wonderful" stuff.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:53 pm



He fought for his convictions, and it appears that they were good ones. Respect.
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Proctopeo
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Founded: Sep 26, 2016
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:13 pm


F in chat for this man, he at least did something worthwhile and fought for a good cause.

Though I do disagree with the "individualism is bad" rhetoric.
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:25 pm

Communal concils wrote:What if SWERFS, TWERFS, Brocialist and Tankies unite into one group.

And we put that group in a cozy little place in Siberia. And we call that place... guh-laaaagh or something.
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Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Proctopeo
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:26 pm

Liriena wrote:
Communal concils wrote:What if SWERFS, TWERFS, Brocialist and Tankies unite into one group.

And we put that group in a cozy little place in Siberia. And we call that place... guh-laaaagh or something.

How about we force them to play Melee competitively?

Edit: Bar the brocialists, they're not really a concern (and it's blatantly a snarl word anyway)
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Hammer Britannia
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:28 pm

Communal concils wrote:What if SWERFS, TWERFS, Brocialist and Tankies unite into one group.

The rest of humanity will finally have something to unite against.

Also, is it bad I though Brocialist was short for Brony Socialist?
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Yusseria
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Founded: Feb 02, 2019
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:30 pm

Communal concils wrote:What if SWERFS, TWERFS, Brocialist and Tankies unite into one group.

"Brocialist"

Are they bronies or something?
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Hammer Britannia
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:31 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Communal concils wrote:What if SWERFS, TWERFS, Brocialist and Tankies unite into one group.

"Brocialist"

Are they bronies or something?

No, they're Socialist Douche-Chads
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Communal concils
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Founded: Mar 04, 2017
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Postby Communal concils » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:42 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Yusseria wrote:"Brocialist"

Are they bronies or something?

No, they're Socialist Douche-Chads



They are okay
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:18 pm

It's genuinely nice to see us all do away with our political views for the briefest of moments to celebrate a true hero, I'm happi with you all right now ;3
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:52 pm

Torrocca wrote:It's genuinely nice to see us all do away with our political views for the briefest of moments to celebrate a true hero, I'm happi with you all right now ;3

L E F T
U N I T Y
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
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gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

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Ostroeuropa
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:58 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Communal concils wrote:What if SWERFS, TWERFS, Brocialist and Tankies unite into one group.

"Brocialist"

Are they bronies or something?


It's a slur used against socialists who reject feminism, ranging from patronizing misogynists to egalitarians of all stripes. Also used against feminist socialist males who display traditionally masculine traits because masculinity bad.

The blatant nature of it being a slur even in its composition let alone its usage doesn't stop some feminist bigotry adjacent folks who love to downplay that hate movement being bigoted going; "N-No! It's only for misogynist socialists!", sort of like, "N-no! Kike is about Jewish Bankers!"
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Ostroeuropa
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:58 pm

Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Yusseria
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:00 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Yusseria wrote:"Brocialist"

Are they bronies or something?


It's a slur used against socialists who reject feminism, ranging from patronizing misogynists to egalitarians of all stripes. Also used against feminist socialist males who display traditionally masculine traits because masculinity bad.

Do socialists expect other socialists to be effeminate pansies?
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Communal concils
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Postby Communal concils » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:03 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Yusseria wrote:"Brocialist"

Are they bronies or something?


It's a slur used against socialists who reject feminism, ranging from patronizing misogynists to egalitarians of all stripes. Also used against feminist socialist males who display traditionally masculine traits because masculinity bad.



I think a form of masculinity should be embrace in leftism, a universal form. Men and women must both show strength, and all weakness must be rejected.
It should be part of the step to a socialist culture, and should remove the Bourgeoisie monopoly on the lower class( as well as the lower middle class). So Brocialism can be useful.,
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Ostroeuropa
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:05 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's a slur used against socialists who reject feminism, ranging from patronizing misogynists to egalitarians of all stripes. Also used against feminist socialist males who display traditionally masculine traits because masculinity bad.

Do socialists expect other socialists to be effeminate pansies?


It's more about finding a reason in mens behavior to explain many feminists contempt and hatred for them on the mans behavior then vent at them about it. You can tell because feminine areas of culture with feminists in that hobby/cultural area soon enough start raging and being abusive to men about "appropriation" and "womens space" (See the Brony subculture). Being feminine does not save men from this treatment.

First hate, then rationalizing an excuse for why you hate them, then ranting at them.

There's nothing wrong with femininity, and your association of femininity with weakness isn't very positive nor constructive.

I am a socialist. I want people to be whatever they choose to be to best express themselves.

Communal concils wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's a slur used against socialists who reject feminism, ranging from patronizing misogynists to egalitarians of all stripes. Also used against feminist socialist males who display traditionally masculine traits because masculinity bad.



I think a form of masculinity should be embrace in leftism, a universal form. Men and women must both show strength, and all weakness must be rejected.
It should be part of the step to a socialist culture, and should remove the Bourgeoisie monopoly on the lower class( as well as the lower middle class). So Brocialism can be useful.,


Feminine strength and violence exist, they are simply under-recognized as traits. Masculine violence tends to be more open. A feminine-violence socialist revolution would involve gaslighting the rich about how its not happening as you round them up to be hanged, laughing at them for being so stupid and conspiratorial and so on, hyperfocusing on instances of rich resistance (reframed as them being violent) and rich violence as proof of their evil and the need for more socialism to fix it, rather than openly celebrating it and pointing to it as an example of socialist strength overcoming the arms of the state and so on.

It's more;
"We've kidnapped a richmun and tortured him to death, but we're going to constantly pretend it was a dog attack and verbally abuse people who call it out, saying they're scaring us and making it so the violently evil rich are going to attack us over conspiracies." and less trumpets and so on.

Yusseria is being super girly by pretending feminine violence doesn't exist. That's a characteristic of femininity
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Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Communal concils
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Postby Communal concils » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:07 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's a slur used against socialists who reject feminism, ranging from patronizing misogynists to egalitarians of all stripes. Also used against feminist socialist males who display traditionally masculine traits because masculinity bad.

Do socialists expect other socialists to be effeminate pansies?



It's only a issue in the usual western develope nations. However, the Leftism of old is never died. The French Revolution is a example of this form of leftism, and every successful revolution has aspects seen as masculine( including Heroism).

Anarchist, Orthodox Marxist ,the Left-communist and Troskyist want to limit those that do actual things for their beliefs.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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