LWDT VI: Kropotkin's Bread Dead Redemption.

[United Muscovite Nations]

No, but they do represent Gaza.

How ever, they pick Hamas because of Isreal's Military campaigns.

I empathize with Hamas, but their strategy is really bad, and the PA probably could have negotiated the right to at least some form of Palestinian state by now if Hamas didn't continue its armed campaign.

[Communal concils]

I think that Palestine should reclaim it's old land, every piece of land that Isreal owns should belong to Palestinians.Perhaps a Isreal shouldn't even exist.

Honestly, the Jews used religion as an excuse to rule over their lesser citizens.

What would beome of those currently living in Israel?

It depends on the power of certain individuals.If they were a rich land owner, they simply shouldn't be there. If they were a simple citizen that embraced the whole population, then they deserve to stay. However, evangelicals and many Zionist shouldn't be around. Religious minorities like the druze should have religious freedoms.

[Communal concils]

1. That's an assumption

2.Death penalty of homosexuals does not mean that it isn't secular. It's a myth that the rejection of homosexuality is base solely on religion.

3. It backwards to your Libertarian standards, it way better than Saudi Arabia (which gets U.S supports). Liberals shouldn't decide who is or isn't backwards, because they themselves allow it.

What other reasons do you have to reject homosexuality?

Homosexuality isn't a major social concern for me, I care more about the actions of individuals. This includes people of all sexual "variants".

However, certain behaviors and methods of "mating" should be rejected, and subcultures that embrace them shouldn't exist.
My focus of criticism is agianst Libertine beliefs.

[Communal concils]

How ever, they pick Hamas because of Isreal's Military campaigns.

I empathize with Hamas, but their strategy is really bad, and the PA probably could have negotiated the right to at least some form of Palestinian state by now if Hamas didn't continue its armed campaign.

Well, they would most likely not listen. However, the non-western powers of the world could help in Palestine's efforts and goals.

[Northern Davincia]

Even without aid Israel would curb stomp its hostile neighbors.

>secular
>death penalty for homosexuals

Palestine has no potential as long as it chooses to remain backwards.

1. That's an assumption

2.Death penalty of homosexuals does not mean that it isn't secular. It's a myth that the rejection of homosexuality is base solely on religion.

3. It backwards to your Libertarian standards, it way better than Saudi Arabia (which gets U.S supports). Liberals shouldn't decide who is or isn't backwards, because they themselves allow it.

1. It's not an assumption. Middle Eastern militaries are a joke and only pose significant threats to each other, while Israel has successfully defended itself without aid in the past.
2. What other factor would anti-gay laws be based on in a Muslim nation?
3. Saudi Arabia does not deserve US support, and I criticize those who tolerate it.

[Salus Maior]

So they should continue ineffective attacks that kill basically no one so they can get in return cruise missiles leveling towns?

People voted in Hamas, so that's their fault. However, Isreal does not treat the Palestinians with respect. Maybe if the nation didn't block the territory, maybe their is a chance to stop the unneeded suffering.

One of those sentences answers why the other is a thing.

And the blockade exists to keep resources out of the hands of militants like Hamas, militarily it's a sound decision.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I empathize with Hamas, but their strategy is really bad, and the PA probably could have negotiated the right to at least some form of Palestinian state by now if Hamas didn't continue its armed campaign.

Well, they would most likely not listen. However, the non-western powers of the world could help in Palestine's efforts and goals.

Still, Hamas is actively harmful to the Palestinian cause, because of Hamas, the Palestinian Authority and the PLO have no ability to give Israel security guarantees in-exchange for concessions.

Like, what good would the PLO's agreeing to peace (which they already have) be if they can't stop Hamas from attacking Israel? Egypt is acting in the Palestinian's interest by trying to influence the people of Gaza to bring Fatah back to power so that the peace process can move forward. That said, I think Israel could also help in this goal if they give more concessions to the PA as a reward for its cooperation, which would make Hamas look less legitimate (after all, Hamas gets its legitimacy from its supposed ability to get concessions from Israel, which it hasn't gotten).

[United Muscovite Nations]

1. That's an assumption

2.Death penalty of homosexuals does not mean that it isn't secular. It's a myth that the rejection of homosexuality is base solely on religion.

3. It backwards to your Libertarian standards, it way better than Saudi Arabia (which gets U.S supports). Liberals shouldn't decide who is or isn't backwards, because they themselves allow it.

1. It's not an assumption. Middle Eastern militaries are a joke and only pose significant threats to each other, while Israel has successfully defended itself without aid in the past.
2. What other factor would anti-gay laws be based on in a Muslim nation?
3. Saudi Arabia does not deserve US support, and I criticize those who tolerate it.

1) The Egyptian military is actually p good right now, but it doesn't want to risk that in a war with Israel obviously, so they are content to try to pressure Israel diplomatically.

[Conserative Morality]

People voted in Hamas, so that's their fault. However, Isreal does not treat the Palestinians with respect. Maybe if the nation didn't block the territory, maybe their is a chance to stop the unneeded suffering.

One of those sentences answers why the other is a thing.

And the blockade exists to keep resources out of the hands of militants like Hamas, militarily it's a sound decision.

Are we really going to pretend that pre-Hamas Israel was overflowing with respect for Palestinians?

[United Muscovite Nations]

One of those sentences answers why the other is a thing.

And the blockade exists to keep resources out of the hands of militants like Hamas, militarily it's a sound decision.

Are we really going to pretend that pre-Hamas Israel was overflowing with respect for Palestinians?

^ Hamas has made the situation worse, but it's not the cause.

[Salus Maior]

One of those sentences answers why the other is a thing.

And the blockade exists to keep resources out of the hands of militants like Hamas, militarily it's a sound decision.

Are we really going to pretend that pre-Hamas Israel was overflowing with respect for Palestinians?

I'm not pretending that, but how is Israel going to respect a nation that continually antagonizes it? Would we expect any other country to do that?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Are we really going to pretend that pre-Hamas Israel was overflowing with respect for Palestinians?

I'm not pretending that, but how is Israel going to respect a nation that continually antagonizes it? Would we expect any other country to do that?

You could say the same of the Palestinians respecting the Israelis.

[Communal concils]

1. That's an assumption

2.Death penalty of homosexuals does not mean that it isn't secular. It's a myth that the rejection of homosexuality is base solely on religion.

3. It backwards to your Libertarian standards, it way better than Saudi Arabia (which gets U.S supports). Liberals shouldn't decide who is or isn't backwards, because they themselves allow it.

1. It's not an assumption. Middle Eastern militaries are a joke and only pose significant threats to each other, while Israel has successfully defended itself without aid in the past.
2. What other factor would anti-gay laws be based on in a Muslim nation?
3. Saudi Arabia does not deserve US support, and I criticize those who tolerate it.

1. It is not as divine as many treat it as.Today, it needs funding from western powers. Even though it has won wars by it's self, this does not mean that it would make a mistake.

2. Religion has influence on a population, and they make the laws. however, people used this a a excuse to claim that isreal is a magical land that needs to beat the supposedly primitive people of the world.Honestly, I could complain that Catholicism has done the same.

3. And the U.S still supports it. Neo-Liberals and Conservatives blame their foreign enemies for the exact thing that their allies do.

[Conserative Morality]

Are we really going to pretend that pre-Hamas Israel was overflowing with respect for Palestinians?

I'm not pretending that, but how is Israel going to respect a nation that continually antagonizes it? Would we expect any other country to do that?

Old world blood feuds perpetuate themselves until unleashed in a torrent of violence. It's not going to end well for anybody.

[Communal concils]

People voted in Hamas, so that's their fault. However, Isreal does not treat the Palestinians with respect. Maybe if the nation didn't block the territory, maybe their is a chance to stop the unneeded suffering.

One of those sentences answers why the other is a thing.

And the blockade exists to keep resources out of the hands of militants like Hamas, militarily it's a sound decision.

Isreal was bombing Gaza before Hamas, and any similar group was cause from those bombings.

[Salus Maior]

I'm not pretending that, but how is Israel going to respect a nation that continually antagonizes it? Would we expect any other country to do that?

Old world blood feuds perpetuate themselves until unleashed in a torrent of violence. It's not going to end well for anybody.

Well, I'd say that considering Palestine has the far lower hand in this situation it would be wisest to accept that they're not going to win and try to make peace.

[Communal concils]

Are we really going to pretend that pre-Hamas Israel was overflowing with respect for Palestinians?

I'm not pretending that, but how is Israel going to respect a nation that continually antagonizes it? Would we expect any other country to do that?

Isreal own existence threatens the Levant. Isreal has only started to turn the holy land into a ethno-state through force resettlement.

[Salus Maior]

I'm not pretending that, but how is Israel going to respect a nation that continually antagonizes it? Would we expect any other country to do that?

Isreal own existence threatens the Levant. Isreal has only started to turn the holy land into a ethno-state through force resettlement.

Like Turkey?

[Communal concils]

Well, they would most likely not listen. However, the non-western powers of the world could help in Palestine's efforts and goals.

Still, Hamas is actively harmful to the Palestinian cause, because of Hamas, the Palestinian Authority and the PLO have no ability to give Israel security guarantees in-exchange for concessions.

Like, what good would the PLO's agreeing to peace (which they already have) be if they can't stop Hamas from attacking Israel? Egypt is acting in the Palestinian's interest by trying to influence the people of Gaza to bring Fatah back to power so that the peace process can move forward. That said, I think Israel could also help in this goal if they give more concessions to the PA as a reward for its cooperation, which would make Hamas look less legitimate (after all, Hamas gets its legitimacy from its supposed ability to get concessions from Israel, which it hasn't gotten).

Very interesting, thank you for the information.

[Communal concils]

Isreal own existence threatens the Levant. Isreal has only started to turn the holy land into a ethno-state through force resettlement.

Like Turkey?

Isreal is the modern example of doing this, it still is removing people out of their homes.

[Pasong Tirad]

Isreal own existence threatens the Levant. Isreal has only started to turn the holy land into a ethno-state through force resettlement.

Like Turkey?

You know what's great? Whataboutisms. So great. Like, because Turkey did bad thing and because we haven't said anything bad about Turkey for the last five minutes, that means we can no longer say anything bad about Israel.

Nevermind the fact that I'm pretty sure a lot of people here very much support Kurdish self-determination.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Like Turkey?

You know what's great? Whataboutisms. So great. Like, because Turkey did bad thing and because we haven't said anything bad about Turkey for the last five minutes, that means we can no longer say anything bad about Israel.

Nevermind the fact that I'm pretty sure a lot of people here very much support Kurdish self-determination.

If we had to mention every single atrocity committed by a Middle Eastern ethnic group ever, then nobody would deserve a state.

[Torrocca]

You know what's great? Whataboutisms. So great. Like, because Turkey did bad thing and because we haven't said anything bad about Turkey for the last five minutes, that means we can no longer say anything bad about Israel.

Nevermind the fact that I'm pretty sure a lot of people here very much support Kurdish self-determination.

If we had to mention every single atrocity committed by a Middle Eastern ethnic group ever, then nobody would deserve a state.

Welcome to Anarchism GANG.

[Pasong Tirad]

If we had to mention every single atrocity committed by a Middle Eastern ethnic group ever, then nobody would deserve a state.

Welcome to Anarchism GANG.

GET BREADPILLED.

[Northern Davincia]

If we had to mention every single atrocity committed by a Middle Eastern ethnic group ever, then nobody would deserve a state.

Welcome to Anarchism GANG.

Yellow as the desert sun, black as the oil underneath it.