LWDT VI: Kropotkin's Bread Dead Redemption.

[First American Empire]

To add on this, historians estimate the number of witches that were executed in Europe to be between 40,000 to 100,000, based on 12,000 known convictions that ended in executions. Aztecs killed an estimated 20,000 to 250,000 a year, meaning that by comparing lowest estimates, the Aztecs killed more people in two years than European witch hunters in several centuries.

That's a misleading comparison. It's taking a small subset of executions in one place and saying it's smaller than all executions in another place. A better comparison would be to compare the total per-capita executions of both medieval Europe and the Aztec Empire.

[Yusseria]

You could argue it, yes. But there is no definitive proof or consensus, and as stated before it was mainly a numerical system.

And again, it was inferior because it literally wasn't a full writing system.

It's a bullshit argument, then, because if you believe that it's inferior because it's not a writing system, then you're comparing a monkey to a fish based on their ability to climb a tree.

Which isn't even the main point. The belief that there's such a thing as a "superior writing system" is a load of crap.

Tor was the one trying to make the case that it was a writing system. I was simply disputing this.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

That's a misleading comparison. It's taking a small subset of executions in one place and saying it's smaller than all executions in another place. A better comparison would be to compare the total per-capita executions of both medieval Europe and the Aztec Empire.

But I'm not! I'm only comparing sacrifices, which are separate from normal capital punishment (of which death was a common punishment).

[Western Vale Confederacy]

To add on this, historians estimate the number of witches that were executed in Europe to be between 40,000 to 100,000, based on 12,000 known convictions that ended in executions. Aztecs killed an estimated 20,000 to 250,000 a year, meaning that by comparing lowest estimates, the Aztecs killed more people in two years than European witch hunters in several centuries.

That's a misleading comparison. It's taking a small subset of executions in one place and saying it's smaller than all executions in another place. A better comparison would be to compare the total per-capita executions of both medieval Europe and the Aztec Empire.

The Aztecs would still win by an obscene margin even if they had their eyes blindfolded and their hands tied behind their backs.

Their entire society revolved around human sacrifice, to the point of keeping entire nations as hostages for human farming in their Flower Wars, and being considered excessive EVEN BY MESOAMERICAN STANDARDS.

[Pasong Tirad]

It's a bullshit argument, then, because if you believe that it's inferior because it's not a writing system, then you're comparing a monkey to a fish based on their ability to climb a tree.

Which isn't even the main point. The belief that there's such a thing as a "superior writing system" is a load of crap.

Tor was the one trying to make the case that it was a writing system. I was simply disputing this.

"She started it!" isn't an argument. And you were "disputing this" by saying it's "inferior" to "traditional writing systems." You never even held the view that it was a writing system and yet you were comparing it to writing systems as though it would be a fair comparison? Yeah, get that bullshit outta here.

[Yusseria]

Tor was the one trying to make the case that it was a writing system. I was simply disputing this.

"She started it!" isn't an argument. And you were "disputing this" by saying it's "inferior" to "traditional writing systems." You never even held the view that it was a writing system and yet you were comparing it to writing systems as though it would be a fair comparison? Yeah, get that bullshit outta here.

You can argue it wasn't fair all you want. I was debating someone who had quite thoroughly convinced themselves it was a writing system, so I made my points understandable for them.

[First American Empire]

That's a misleading comparison. It's taking a small subset of executions in one place and saying it's smaller than all executions in another place. A better comparison would be to compare the total per-capita executions of both medieval Europe and the Aztec Empire.

The Aztecs would still win by an obscene margin even if they had their eyes blindfolded and their hands tied behind their backs.

Their entire society revolved around human sacrifice, to the point of keeping entire nations as hostages for human farming in their Flower Wars, and being considered excessive EVEN BY MESOAMERICAN STANDARDS.

I agree with you. I just think erroneous statistics harm our case.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

I agree with you. I just think erroneous statistics harm our case.

It's not erroneous. Being sacrificed and executed were two separate things. One was a sacrifice to be revered, the other was a common criminal to be despised.

[Pasong Tirad]

"She started it!" isn't an argument. And you were "disputing this" by saying it's "inferior" to "traditional writing systems." You never even held the view that it was a writing system and yet you were comparing it to writing systems as though it would be a fair comparison? Yeah, get that bullshit outta here.

You can argue it wasn't fair all you want. I was debating someone who had quite thoroughly convinced themselves it was a writing system, so I made my points understandable for them.

So you're intentionally making shitty arguments to try and win an argument? Got it. You could have easily just said that arguments for quipu being a writing system were inconclusive and end it with that instead of trying to argue that somehow there's such a thing as a "superior" writing system (which is verging really closely to a dog-whistle for saying Western writing systems are superior) and everybody would still have come out of it having learned something. But sure, try and argue for some kind of writing system to be better than others all you fucking want.

[Northern Davincia]

You can argue it wasn't fair all you want. I was debating someone who had quite thoroughly convinced themselves it was a writing system, so I made my points understandable for them.

So you're intentionally making shitty arguments to try and win an argument? Got it. You could have easily just said that arguments for quipu being a writing system were inconclusive and end it with that instead of trying to argue that somehow there's such a thing as a "superior" writing system (which is verging really closely to a dog-whistle for saying Western writing systems are superior) and everybody would still have come out of it having learned something. But sure, try and argue for some kind of writing system to be better than others all you fucking want.

Which they are, but that's beside the point.

[Pasong Tirad]

So you're intentionally making shitty arguments to try and win an argument? Got it. You could have easily just said that arguments for quipu being a writing system were inconclusive and end it with that instead of trying to argue that somehow there's such a thing as a "superior" writing system (which is verging really closely to a dog-whistle for saying Western writing systems are superior) and everybody would still have come out of it having learned something. But sure, try and argue for some kind of writing system to be better than others all you fucking want.

Which they are, but that's beside the point.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Someone call the Politburo and have the Secretary-General revoke Ostro's leftist credentials for wrongthink.

Every day I get more Marxist-Leninist and I hate it.

Why?

[Northern Davincia]

Which they are, but that's beside the point.

I base the superiority of writing systems on ease of learning, potential for expressing complex ideas, and potential for widespread adoption.
The west has all three down pat.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Marx was an abomination on humanity.

He was one of the most important thinkers of the 19th century, whose work has contributed massively to several fields.

But sure, Stalin and Mao did bad things, so now Marx is Morgoth. Please, nobody pay attention to Voltaire's bastards or the unfortunate consequences of Adam Smith's work over the past three centuries. Also, nobody cancel Nietzche or Heidegger.

From the blurb of Voltaire's Bastards, it doesn't look that convincing. It sounds like "The west sucks, because we talk about freedom but we don't have freedom (even though we have the most freedom on average anyone has had in the world in the entire Holocene), and this is all because we think reason is reasonable. Facts are gay."

[First American Empire]

Also, what we think of as "western writing" is basically a variant of the Phoenician alphabet, which is from what is now Lebanon.

[Yusseria]

You can argue it wasn't fair all you want. I was debating someone who had quite thoroughly convinced themselves it was a writing system, so I made my points understandable for them.

So you're intentionally making shitty arguments to try and win an argument? Got it. You could have easily just said that arguments for quipu being a writing system were inconclusive and end it with that instead of trying to argue that somehow there's such a thing as a "superior" writing system (which is verging really closely to a dog-whistle for saying Western writing systems are superior) and everybody would still have come out of it having learned something. But sure, try and argue for some kind of writing system to be better than others all you fucking want.

It isn't Western writing systems. Literally any writing system is better than no writing system. Fuck, even Sanskrit would be better.

[Yusseria]

Every day I get more Marxist-Leninist and I hate it.

Why?

Drifting too far away from the traditional AnCom theology of this thread.

[Proctopeo]

Why?

Drifting too far away from the traditional AnCom theology of this thread.

the lwdt needs more center-left socdems

[First American Empire]

the lwdt needs more center-left socdems

Well, I'm here. It's kind of lonely being the only SocDem.

[Yusseria]

Drifting too far away from the traditional AnCom theology of this thread.

the lwdt needs more center-left socdems

What would NSG be without extremism?

[First American Empire]

the lwdt needs more center-left socdems

What would NSG be without extremism?

Wait, there'd be an NSG without extremism?!

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

the lwdt needs more center-left socdems

Christian democrats are center-left, although we aren't pseudo-socialists.

[Proctopeo]

the lwdt needs more center-left socdems

Well, I'm here. It's kind of lonely being the only SocDem.

Shame there's apparently only one of you.

the lwdt needs more center-left socdems

What would NSG be without extremism?

A better place with more civil discourse.

[Salus Maior]

Also, what we think of as "western writing" is basically a variant of the Phoenician alphabet, which is from what is now Lebanon.

[Salus Maior]

Why?

Drifting too far away from the traditional AnCom theology of this thread.

I think you mean the Libertarian DT.

Here in the RWDT we're noble patricians who speak of dead cultures as the height of civilization.