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Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:38 pm**

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Lol what a load of horseshit.

Science is using the scientific method, most academics don't do that, and you know it.

That is based on positivism, a dying philosophy of science. There is no such thing as the scientific method. Each field has its own scientific methods.

I agree with that sentiment but I don't think it's as widespread or prevalent as you're presenting.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:41 pm**

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Lol what a load of horseshit.

Science is using the scientific method, most academics don't do that, and you know it.

That is based on positivism, a dying philosophy of science. There is no such thing as the scientific method. Each field has its own scientific methods.

[citation needed]
Are you gonna say next that empiricism is dying too?

Valrifell wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
That is based on positivism, a dying philosophy of science. There is no such thing as the scientific method. Each field has its own scientific methods.

I agree with that sentiment but I don't think it's as widespread or prevalent as you're presenting.

As a very basic structure I'm pretty sure you can find the scientific method as the framework of any field-unique scientific method. It's relatively basic, and it's not like you can analyse data before you acquire it.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:47 pm**

Many fields have theoretical frameworks which do not utilize the scientific method alongside ones which do. The fact they don't use it is considered a criticism of those frameworks, even if they measurably have results.

EG; Freud.

Psychodynamic therapy has high success rates, which can be empirically confirmed. But the theory is unscientific. Another is, for instance, Erikson development "theory" in social work, which is useful to understand and has its uses even if its not scientific.

I like to think of these kind of discrepancies as akin to Pre-Euclidian mysticism about the round nature of the earth.

"The earth is round."
"Why?"
"Because obviously that's a more pleasing shape for the earth to be, more perfect, more holistic. So that's what the universe made it, because the universe is alive and likes to be pretty. Here, Our theory is supported by us noting that there are lots of pretty things around, supporting our model.".

Non-scientific theories in academia always remind me of that kind of logic.
It's like, no, it's just there's unknown unknowns we haven't found out about yet and you're coming up with a bunch of bollocks rather than acknowledge it.

Freudian psychology is bunk. It's guesswork and not scientific.
But it produces results for reasons we don't yet understand.

In the round earth example, that'd be the natue of gravity and how it produces sphere shapes for large bodies of mass. Once we understood that, we understood why the earth was round, and understood that the "Because sentient pretty universe" wasn't a proper explanation. For freud, who knows.

Humanistic psychology is a good one to consider here.
Just because Rogers couldn't scientifically prove his ideas, doesn't mean they don't have merit and aren't useful, but that also doesn't mean his ideas will never be scientifically proven, especially as our biomedical understanding of neuropsychology expands. And crucially, what he WAS able to do is scientifically prove;
"My ideas do produce results, even if I can't prove its for the reasons I say they do.".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_known_knowns

I.E
"Julius Caesar didn't know that he didn't know anything about nuclear physics.", but show him a radioactive substance and its impact on others, and he'll quickly come up with a model to rationalize what he is seeing, even if its based on a bunch of unscientific nonsense.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:33 pm**

Torrocca wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Rome distributed free grain to its citizens, how wholesome.

Do you want the right-wingers to call Rome a Cultural Marxist SJW hellhole? Because this is how you get the right-wingers to call Rome a Cultural Marxist SJW hellhole.

>free stuff is a left-wing thing

Why do you insist on promoting stereotypes about yourself?

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:37 pm**

Yusseria wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Do you want the right-wingers to call Rome a Cultural Marxist SJW hellhole? Because this is how you get the right-wingers to call Rome a Cultural Marxist SJW hellhole.

>free stuff is a left-wing thing

Why do you insist on promoting stereotypes about yourself?

>literally everyone is 100% serious 100% of the time with everything they say ever

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:38 pm**

Yusseria wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Do you want the right-wingers to call Rome a Cultural Marxist SJW hellhole? Because this is how you get the right-wingers to call Rome a Cultural Marxist SJW hellhole.

>free stuff is a left-wing thing

Why do you insist on promoting stereotypes about yourself?

Apparently charity and food distribution are leftist concepts now despite existing for far longer than the notions of leftism and rightism has.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:40 pm**

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Yusseria wrote:>free stuff is a left-wing thing

Why do you insist on promoting stereotypes about yourself?

Apparently charity and food distribution are leftist concepts now despite existing for far longer than the notions of leftism and rightism has.

">literally everyone is 100% serious 100% of the time with everything they say ever"

Can't even make a joke about how rightists would call that communism smh my head

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:41 pm**

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Panem et circenses is unironically how I believe society functions.

If the populace is kept happy, they will not rebel, simple as that!

If you paralyze or otherwise cripple everyone, they will not rebel, as simple as that.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:42 pm**

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Yusseria wrote:>free stuff is a left-wing thing

Why do you insist on promoting stereotypes about yourself?

Apparently charity and food distribution are leftist concepts now despite existing for far longer than the notions of leftism and rightism has.

The class struggle is eternal, comrade.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:42 pm**

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Panem et circenses is unironically how I believe society functions.

If the populace is kept happy, they will not rebel, simple as that!

If you paralyze or otherwise cripple everyone, they will not rebel, as simple as that.

Which is why I've decided to ban spines.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:43 pm**

Torrocca wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Apparently charity and food distribution are leftist concepts now despite existing for far longer than the notions of leftism and rightism has.

">literally everyone is 100% serious 100% of the time with everything they say ever"

Can't even make a joke about how rightists would call that communism smh my head

It is hard to distinguish whether you are being ironic or serious a lot of the time.

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Panem et circenses is unironically how I believe society functions.

If the populace is kept happy, they will not rebel, simple as that!

If you paralyze or otherwise cripple everyone, they will not rebel, as simple as that.

Except if you break their legs, they will not only be unable to work, but they’d get pissed.

Not ideal, really.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:44 pm**

I'm late to this conversation, but I'd just like to say that anyone who produces a generalised, surface level, one-sentence analysis of complex historical events centuries or millennia ago, and uses this to demonstrate something about the modern world or make a point about the validity of their political views is, in my experience, generally wrong.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:44 pm**

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
">literally everyone is 100% serious 100% of the time with everything they say ever"

Can't even make a joke about how rightists would call that communism smh my head

It is hard to distinguish whether you are being ironic or serious a lot of the time.

The /s tag is for the lily-livered.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:45 pm**

Valrifell wrote:
Which is why I've decided to ban spines.

Scientists have signed a petition to ban water, everyone intelligent knows that society would be better off with drastic and violent actions that speed up the downfall of mankind.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:45 pm**

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:If you paralyze or otherwise cripple everyone, they will not rebel, as simple as that.

Except if you break their legs, they will not only be unable to work, but they’d get pissed.

The use of one's legs isn't really required for quite a lot of jobs though.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:46 pm**

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Except if you break their legs, they will not only be unable to work, but they’d get pissed.

Not ideal, really.

One word: aliens/robots.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:46 pm**

Torrocca wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
It is hard to distinguish whether you are being ironic or serious a lot of the time.

The /s tag is for the lily-livered.

There’s no /s on NSG, we all have Freudian slips.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:46 pm**

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Which is why I've decided to ban spines.

Scientists have signed a petition to ban water, everyone intelligent knows that society would be better off with drastic and violent actions that speed up the downfall of mankind.

AnPrims want to know your location.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:49 pm**

Pasong Tirad wrote:AnPrims want to know your location.

>indirectly expressing your assumption that I possess a location from which I am typing

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:50 pm**

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:AnPrims want to know your location.

>indirectly expressing your assumption that I possess a location from which I am typing

O-oh?

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:58 pm**

Valrifell wrote:I agree with that sentiment but I don't think it's as widespread or prevalent as you're presenting.

You don't think that what is that widespread or prevalent? That positivism is dying? Factually, that is true.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:59 pm**

Proctopeo wrote:As a very basic structure I'm pretty sure you can find the scientific method as the framework of any field-unique scientific method. It's relatively basic, and it's not like you can analyse data before you acquire it.

Scientists do not talk about a single scientific method.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:00 pm**

Torrocca wrote:
Yusseria wrote:>free stuff is a left-wing thing

Why do you insist on promoting stereotypes about yourself?

>literally everyone is 100% serious 100% of the time with everything they say ever

Your joke was bad.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:00 pm**

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:As a very basic structure I'm pretty sure you can find the scientific method as the framework of any field-unique scientific method. It's relatively basic, and it's not like you can analyse data before you acquire it.

Scientists do not talk about a single scientific method.

How about you source an alternative scientific method.

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:00 pm**

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Yusseria wrote:>free stuff is a left-wing thing

Why do you insist on promoting stereotypes about yourself?

Apparently charity and food distribution are leftist concepts now despite existing for far longer than the notions of leftism and rightism has.

Does this make me a leftist whenever I share food with people?

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