LWDT VI: Kropotkin's Bread Dead Redemption.

by **Aellex** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:55 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Aellex wrote:Fuck mother nature, I'm building more parkings.

brb lewding earth-chan. srsly tho, can the petrochemical industry just fucking die already.

She's flat after all, just to my liking. :^)

Petrochimical is gud, I've got lot of friends heading there once they got their diploma.

by **Crysuko** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:56 pm

Aellex wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
This is why the French should've kept revolting after 1799.

To build more parkings ? That's more a gilet jaune revendication than a Jacobin's one.

[muffled Do You Hear The People Sing in the distance]

by **Aellex** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:58 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Aellex wrote:To build more parkings ? That's more a gilet jaune revendication than a Jacobin's one.

[muffled Do You Hear The People Sing in the distance]

If I have a single qualm about Hugo's work, it's that he forever made foreigners mistake a single Parisian riot for a revolution of its own.

by **Crysuko** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:00 pm

Aellex wrote:
Crysuko wrote:[muffled Do You Hear The People Sing in the distance]

If I have a single qualm about Hugo's work, it's that he forever made foreigners mistake a single Parisian riot for a revolution of its own.

cracking soundtrack though

by **Torrocca** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:04 pm

Aellex wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
This is why the French should've kept revolting after 1799.

To build more parkings ? That's more a gilet jaune revendication than a Jacobin's one.

Nah, to stop you from building them :^)

by **Aellex** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:13 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Aellex wrote:To build more parkings ? That's more a gilet jaune revendication than a Jacobin's one.

Nah, to stop you from building them :^)

It doesn't follow tho. Why would anyone be against better quality of life?

by **Crysuko** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:16 pm

Aellex wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah, to stop you from building them :^)

It doesn't follow tho. Why would anyone be against better quality of life?

infinite expansion on a limited world is not sustainable

by **Torrocca** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:17 pm

Aellex wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah, to stop you from building them :^)

It doesn't follow tho. Why would anyone be against better quality of life?

>implying that parking lots improve life quality

by **Crysuko** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:18 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Aellex wrote:It doesn't follow tho. Why would anyone be against better quality of life?

>implying that parking lots improve life quality

they reduce air quality, for one thing

by **Western Vale Confederacy** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:28 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Aellex wrote:It doesn't follow tho. Why would anyone be against better quality of life?

>implying that parking lots improve life quality

I live in the outermost suburbs of Montreal and I’d certainly fucking love some extra parking space right now.

by **Byzconia** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:29 pm

Telconi wrote:
Byzconia wrote:Yeah, that's coercion, bub. Saying, "you need to follow this religion to succeed in our society" is coercive. The fact you're not literally holding a gun to their head and forcing them to convert is irrelevant.

By that metric society is inherently coercive as a concept.

It is.

by **Torrocca** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:29 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>implying that parking lots improve life quality

I live in the outermost suburbs of Montreal and I’d certainly fucking love some extra parking space right now.

Why not just have more public transport so there's fewer cars and thus more free parking space? :^)

by **Valrifell** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:31 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I live in the outermost suburbs of Montreal and I’d certainly fucking love some extra parking space right now.

Why not just have more public transport so there's fewer cars and thus more free parking space? :^)

Because cars are a symbol of FREEDOM and INDIVIDUALITY whereas the public bus is a noted symbol of Bolshevism.

by **Byzconia** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:32 pm

Greater Westralia wrote:I don't quite understand where the hubbub about UMN's hypothetical society is coming from.

If you don't want to partake in a religiously orientated society, which may I point out is a completely consensual choice, then bully for you. Don't expect them to offer you the fruits of that particular society. Since there's nothing stopping you from making your own society, moving or compromising like an adult, there's really no grounds for controversy.

This becomes an issue when conforming is particularly totalitarian. Acting modestly and observing certain societal conventions is one thing, being forced to basically brainwash yourself is another.

The issue isn't the society itself, it's that he insists his society would be non-coercive, which is physically impossible. All societies use coercion (whether direct or indirect) to make people behave and follow the society's rules. Psychologically enforcing mores (which he's suggesting) is still coercive, even if he wants to pretend it's not.

by **Byzconia** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:36 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Then they'll just create a society either with coercion or without restriction on behavior, neither of which is desirable.

Except there is no such thing as a society that has neither. "Restricting behavior" requires coercion.

And it's not a non-sequitor, a person isn't necessarily entitled to aid from society if they refuse the social contract.

"We'll make 'em an offer they can't refuse!" That's literally what you're saying. The power dynamic between a person and a society is extremely skewed towards the latter, making it virtually impossible for the former to make a decision that's truly free. People have an incentive to seek safety in the social contract, which may require them to follow a structure of society they disagree with in order to stay safe. That is coercion. As I've mentioned before, the fact you're not literally holding a gun to their head is irrelevant.

by **Pasong Tirad** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:38 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Why not just have more public transport so there's fewer cars and thus more free parking space? :^)

Because cars are a symbol of FREEDOM and INDIVIDUALITY whereas the public bus is a noted symbol of Bolshevism.

In Soviet Russia, car rides YOU.

Also, I am very much partial to my Mao-esque bicycle, and use it to get almost anywhere I'm going, save work (which is too far for me to bike to).

by **Torrocca** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:42 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Why not just have more public transport so there's fewer cars and thus more free parking space? :^)

Because cars are a symbol of FREEDOM and INDIVIDUALITY whereas the public bus is a noted symbol of Bolshevism.

Oh fuck you're right I forgot to drink my FREEDOM^TM juice!

*Breaks leg* AHHH fuck yeah look at that I'm so fucking indvidualistic right now HNNNGH *gulps juice* WOOHOO 'MURICA *screeches like an eagle which is really the screech of a red-tailed hawk* fuck yeah fucking commie bus lines can go burn 1991 was so last year *downs another glass* I FEEL LIKE A FUCKING SOARING EAGLE PATRIOT RIGHT NOW WITH MY FREEDOMOBILE *beeps horn* look at how individualistic and free i am you cuckolded lefties *swerves through traffic at 200 mph* stay outta my lane you fucking statist stalinists *crashes into a light pole* YOU'RE VIOLATING MY NAP BY UPHOLDING THE AGE OF CONSENT YOU SHILLS *lands headfirst into oncoming traffic* god bless america *spiritually dives headfirst into hell while wiping a single red, white, and blue tear from my cheek* i'm so free

by **Valrifell** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:43 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Because cars are a symbol of FREEDOM and INDIVIDUALITY whereas the public bus is a noted symbol of Bolshevism.

Oh fuck you're right I forgot to drink my FREEDOM^TM juice!

*Breaks leg* AHHH fuck yeah look at that I'm so fucking indvidualistic right now HNNNGH *gulps juice* WOOHOO 'MURICA *screeches like an eagle which is really the screech of a red-tailed hawk* fuck yeah fucking commie bus lines can go burn 1991 was so last year *downs another glass* I FEEL LIKE A FUCKING SOARING EAGLE PATRIOT RIGHT NOW WITH MY FREEDOMOBILE *beeps horn* look at how individualistic and free i am you cuckolded lefties *swerves through traffic at 200 mph* stay outta my lane you fucking statist stalinists *crashes into a light pole* YOU'RE VIOLATING MY NAP BY UPHOLDING THE AGE OF CONSENT YOU SHILLS *lands headfirst into oncoming traffic* god bless america *spiritually dives headfirst into hell while wiping a single red, white, and blue tear from my cheek* i'm so free

T-Torra, are you okay?

by **Crysuko** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:46 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Because cars are a symbol of FREEDOM and INDIVIDUALITY whereas the public bus is a noted symbol of Bolshevism.

Oh fuck you're right I forgot to drink my FREEDOM^TM juice!

*Breaks leg* AHHH fuck yeah look at that I'm so fucking indvidualistic right now HNNNGH *gulps juice* WOOHOO 'MURICA *screeches like an eagle which is really the screech of a red-tailed hawk* fuck yeah fucking commie bus lines can go burn 1991 was so last year *downs another glass* I FEEL LIKE A FUCKING SOARING EAGLE PATRIOT RIGHT NOW WITH MY FREEDOMOBILE *beeps horn* look at how individualistic and free i am you cuckolded lefties *swerves through traffic at 200 mph* stay outta my lane you fucking statist stalinists *crashes into a light pole* YOU'RE VIOLATING MY NAP BY UPHOLDING THE AGE OF CONSENT YOU SHILLS *lands headfirst into oncoming traffic* god bless america *spiritually dives headfirst into hell while wiping a single red, white, and blue tear from my cheek* i'm so free

by **Torrocca** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:47 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Oh fuck you're right I forgot to drink my FREEDOM^TM juice!

*Breaks leg* AHHH fuck yeah look at that I'm so fucking indvidualistic right now HNNNGH *gulps juice* WOOHOO 'MURICA *screeches like an eagle which is really the screech of a red-tailed hawk* fuck yeah fucking commie bus lines can go burn 1991 was so last year *downs another glass* I FEEL LIKE A FUCKING SOARING EAGLE PATRIOT RIGHT NOW WITH MY FREEDOMOBILE *beeps horn* look at how individualistic and free i am you cuckolded lefties *swerves through traffic at 200 mph* stay outta my lane you fucking statist stalinists *crashes into a light pole* YOU'RE VIOLATING MY NAP BY UPHOLDING THE AGE OF CONSENT YOU SHILLS *lands headfirst into oncoming traffic* god bless america *spiritually dives headfirst into hell while wiping a single red, white, and blue tear from my cheek* i'm so free

T-Torra, are you okay?

I'm fucking free, that's what I am, baby!

by **Conserative Morality** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:48 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Oh fuck you're right I forgot to drink my FREEDOM^TM juice!

*Breaks leg* AHHH fuck yeah look at that I'm so fucking indvidualistic right now HNNNGH *gulps juice* WOOHOO 'MURICA *screeches like an eagle which is really the screech of a red-tailed hawk* fuck yeah fucking commie bus lines can go burn 1991 was so last year *downs another glass* I FEEL LIKE A FUCKING SOARING EAGLE PATRIOT RIGHT NOW WITH MY FREEDOMOBILE *beeps horn* look at how individualistic and free i am you cuckolded lefties *swerves through traffic at 200 mph* stay outta my lane you fucking statist stalinists *crashes into a light pole* YOU'RE VIOLATING MY NAP BY UPHOLDING THE AGE OF CONSENT YOU SHILLS *lands headfirst into oncoming traffic* god bless america *spiritually dives headfirst into hell while wiping a single red, white, and blue tear from my cheek* i'm so free

T-Torra, are you okay?

I'm thinking it's a stroke.

by **Pasong Tirad** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:49 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
T-Torra, are you okay?

I'm fucking free, that's what I am, baby!

We've lost her. She's been diagnosed with... individualism.

by **Byzconia** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:51 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I'm fucking free, that's what I am, baby!

We've lost her. She's been diagnosed with... individualism.

Rugged individualism.

by **Crysuko** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:52 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I'm fucking free, that's what I am, baby!

We've lost her. She's been diagnosed with... individualism.

I need an infusion of Socialist Kool-aid, now!

by **Valrifell** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:52 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:We've lost her. She's been diagnosed with... individualism.

I need an infusion of Socialist Kool-aid, now!

All we have is Leninade!

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