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Which Form of Leftism is The Best?

Left-Libertarianism
125
55%
Yes
66
29%
Left-Authoritarianism
37
16%
 
Total votes : 228

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Communal concils
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Founded: Mar 04, 2017
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:34 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:You know what's great? Whataboutisms. So great. Like, because Turkey did bad thing and because we haven't said anything bad about Turkey for the last five minutes, that means we can no longer say anything bad about Israel.

Nevermind the fact that I'm pretty sure a lot of people here very much support Kurdish self-determination.


If we had to mention every single atrocity committed by a Middle Eastern ethnic group ever, then nobody would deserve a state.



It would count for the entire world. Doesn't matter if your Hutu, German, Jewish or British. Everyone is equally at fault.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Founded: Nov 09, 2014
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:35 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Welcome to Anarchism GANG.

GET BREADPILLED.


I’m sorry, but I actually like having food on my stable that isn’t stale bread and malaria-ridden water and I actually like living beyond the age of 35.

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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:35 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Welcome to Anarchism GANG.

Yellow as the desert sun, black as the oil underneath it.


Looks pretty red to me, famalam.
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Northern Davincia
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Founded: Jun 10, 2014
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:35 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Yellow as the desert sun, black as the oil underneath it.


Looks pretty red to me, famalam.

Please do not remind me of Red China.
Hoppean Libertarian, Acolyte of von Mises, Protector of Our Sacred Liberties
Economic Left/Right: 9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Communal concils
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:40 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
If we had to mention every single atrocity committed by a Middle Eastern ethnic group ever, then nobody would deserve a state.


Welcome to Anarchism GANG.



Want some Star Bucks, Totally Revolutionary.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Greater Westralia
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Founded: Nov 13, 2018
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Postby Greater Westralia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:41 pm

I wouldn't even mind anarchism, as long as we can kick out all the parasitic radical lefty millenials to make room for good wholesome farmers and hardworking tradies.

Anarchism without anarchists in short.
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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:42 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Welcome to Anarchism GANG.



Want some Star Bucks, Totally Revolutionary.


Is it a democratic worker's cooperative?
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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
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Communal concils
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Founded: Mar 04, 2017
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:46 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

Want some Star Bucks, Totally Revolutionary.


Is it a democratic worker's cooperative?



"Democratic", anarchy would make sense if it didn't even have a system. At least the Egoist have no Rules.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Northern Davincia
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Founded: Jun 10, 2014
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:46 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Is it a democratic worker's cooperative?



"Democratic", anarchy would make sense if it didn't even have a system. At least the Egoist have no Rules.

Become one with Ancapistan, we have bitcoin!
Hoppean Libertarian, Acolyte of von Mises, Protector of Our Sacred Liberties
Economic Left/Right: 9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Founded: Nov 09, 2014
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:46 pm

Greater Westralia wrote:I wouldn't even mind anarchism, as long as we can kick out all the parasitic radical lefty millenials to make room for good wholesome farmers and hardworking tradies.

Anarchism without anarchists in short.


How about statism?

Way better than banging rocks together.

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Northern Davincia
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Founded: Jun 10, 2014
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:48 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Greater Westralia wrote:I wouldn't even mind anarchism, as long as we can kick out all the parasitic radical lefty millenials to make room for good wholesome farmers and hardworking tradies.

Anarchism without anarchists in short.


How about statism?

Way better than banging rocks together.

There are alternatives.
Hoppean Libertarian, Acolyte of von Mises, Protector of Our Sacred Liberties
Economic Left/Right: 9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Communal concils
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Founded: Mar 04, 2017
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:49 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

"Democratic", anarchy would make sense if it didn't even have a system. At least the Egoist have no Rules.

Become one with Ancapistan, we have bitcoin!



Will McDonalds have a Paramilitary unit.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Founded: Nov 09, 2014
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:50 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Become one with Ancapistan, we have bitcoin!



Will McDonalds have a Paramilitary unit.


If it hasn’t been recreationally nuked by the KFCombat Squads, then yeah.

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:51 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Become one with Ancapistan, we have bitcoin!



Will McDonalds have a Paramilitary unit.

But of course.
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

Will McDonalds have a Paramilitary unit.


If it hasn’t been recreationally nuked by the KFCombat Squads, then yeah.

KFC was neutralized and assimilated into Burger King, the last statist holdout by namesake alone.
Hoppean Libertarian, Acolyte of von Mises, Protector of Our Sacred Liberties
Economic Left/Right: 9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Salus Maior
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Founded: Jun 16, 2014
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:55 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Like Turkey?

You know what's great? Whataboutisms. So great. Like, because Turkey did bad thing and because we haven't said anything bad about Turkey for the last five minutes, that means we can no longer say anything bad about Israel.

Nevermind the fact that I'm pretty sure a lot of people here very much support Kurdish self-determination.


My point is that if the international community, despite what Turkey did, can recognize them as a legitimate states with rights to rule themselves and dictate their borders, they can do the same thing with Israel.
Traditionalist Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist, Habsburg Nostalgic, Distributist, Disillusioned Millennial.

"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Communal concils
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:55 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

Will McDonalds have a Paramilitary unit.

But of course.
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
If it hasn’t been recreationally nuked by the KFCombat Squads, then yeah.

KFC was neutralized and assimilated into Burger King, the last statist holdout by namesake alone.




That's it, I want a centralize and complex Hierarchy of planners under one Big Union.Better than yo Anacapistan.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Kubra
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Founded: Apr 15, 2006
Father Knows Best State

Postby Kubra » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:57 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

Will McDonalds have a Paramilitary unit.

But of course.
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
If it hasn’t been recreationally nuked by the KFCombat Squads, then yeah.

KFC was neutralized and assimilated into Burger King, the last statist holdout by namesake alone.
At burger king, every man is a king, so long as he gets the crown with the king meal
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
Comrade J. Posadas

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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:07 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Is it a democratic worker's cooperative?



"Democratic", anarchy would make sense if it didn't even have a system. At least the Egoist have no Rules.


Read the bread book so you can see why you're wrong o/
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They call me Torra, but you can call me... anytime (☞⌐■_■)☞
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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
NOTICE 2: Most RP and every OOC post by me prior to 2023 are no longer endorsed nor tolerated by me. I've since put on my adult pants!
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Greater Westralia
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Founded: Nov 13, 2018
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Postby Greater Westralia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:25 pm

I don't think its a coincidence that most anarchist communities are predominantly rural.

"Anarchist" college kids are all talk, no praxis. Unless you're ready to dig in dirt for the rest of your life, anarchism is just a fantasy.
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:41 pm

Greater Westralia wrote:I don't think its a coincidence that most anarchist communities are predominantly rural.

"Anarchist" college kids are all talk, no praxis. Unless you're ready to dig in dirt for the rest of your life, anarchism is just a fantasy.


I would say truly "anarchist" communities don't exist.

Even if they are in the middle of nowhere, there's still the state and the rule of law. If someone committed a serious crime in their community, they would of course go to the authorities.
Traditionalist Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist, Habsburg Nostalgic, Distributist, Disillusioned Millennial.

"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Grenartia
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Founded: Feb 14, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:50 pm

Communal concils wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What other reasons do you have to reject homosexuality?



Homosexuality isn't a major social concern for me, I care more about the actions of individuals. This includes people of all sexual "variants".

However, certain behaviors and methods of "mating" should be rejected, and subcultures that embrace them shouldn't exist.
My focus of criticism is agianst Libertine beliefs.


Imagine actually believing this shit.
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People who call themselves based NEVER are.
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Byzconia
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Postby Byzconia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:00 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Welcome to Anarchism GANG.

Yellow as the desert sun, black as the oil underneath it.

Pretty sure she's referring to actual anarchism, not capitalist wannabe anarchism that's really just a massive corporate dictatorship.
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Byzconia
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Postby Byzconia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:04 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:You know what's great? Whataboutisms. So great. Like, because Turkey did bad thing and because we haven't said anything bad about Turkey for the last five minutes, that means we can no longer say anything bad about Israel.

Nevermind the fact that I'm pretty sure a lot of people here very much support Kurdish self-determination.


My point is that if the international community, despite what Turkey did, can recognize them as a legitimate states with rights to rule themselves and dictate their borders, they can do the same thing with Israel.

And Israel can do the same thing with Palestine.
Democratic Socialist Republic of Byzconia: a post-colonial Francophone African nation currently undergoing authoritarian backsliding, set in a world where the Eastern Bloc liberalized rather than collapsing.

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Grenartia
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:06 pm

Byzconia wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Yellow as the desert sun, black as the oil underneath it.

Pretty sure she's referring to actual anarchism, not capitalist wannabe anarchism that's really just a massive corporate dictatorship.


Anti-government capitalism: for when you really hate the authoritarian tyranny of the state, but love the authoritarian tyranny of the corporation.
Lib-left. Antifascist, antitankie, anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist (including the imperialism of non-western countries). Christian (Unitarian Universalist). Background in physics.
Mostly a girl. She or they pronouns, please. Unrepentant transbian.
Reject tradition, embrace modernity.
People who call themselves based NEVER are.
The truth about kids transitioning.

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Grenartia
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:07 pm

Byzconia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
My point is that if the international community, despite what Turkey did, can recognize them as a legitimate states with rights to rule themselves and dictate their borders, they can do the same thing with Israel.

And Israel can do the same thing with Palestine.


As I've said previously, the Bosnia and Herzegovina model is one that should be seriously considered for Israel and Palestine.
Lib-left. Antifascist, antitankie, anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist (including the imperialism of non-western countries). Christian (Unitarian Universalist). Background in physics.
Mostly a girl. She or they pronouns, please. Unrepentant transbian.
Reject tradition, embrace modernity.
People who call themselves based NEVER are.
The truth about kids transitioning.

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