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Which Form of Leftism is The Best?

Left-Libertarianism
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Left-Authoritarianism
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:29 pm

Valrifell wrote:Oh that was about anime?


Everything's about anime anymore. After people found out that one of the ways to make a political point was to put moe characters in red hats.
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Ostroeuropa wrote:snipped because while it's well written, it's way long

Ah yeah, I heard about that. Anime News Network disparaged it for having the audacity to claim false rape accusations aren't an impossibility in the laws of the universe (like a naked singularity, or a free quark), and Anime Feminist refused to even review it for the same reason. Suffice to say I look to these sources even less than I did before, which was already a number less than zero.

My personal thoughts? It seems pretty interesting, too busy for anime at the moment though, and I'm not really fond of isekai either. There doesn't seem to be anything worth getting upset about with the show, from what I've gathered from more reasonable parts of the internet.


As a concept, I like isekai a lot more than it's actually written most of the time. Primarily because it devolves into harem very quickly.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:35 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Ah yeah, I heard about that. Anime News Network disparaged it for having the audacity to claim false rape accusations aren't an impossibility in the laws of the universe (like a naked singularity, or a free quark), and Anime Feminist refused to even review it for the same reason. Suffice to say I look to these sources even less than I did before, which was already a number less than zero.

My personal thoughts? It seems pretty interesting, too busy for anime at the moment though, and I'm not really fond of isekai either. There doesn't seem to be anything worth getting upset about with the show, from what I've gathered from more reasonable parts of the internet.


As a concept, I like isekai a lot more than it's actually written most of the time. Primarily because it devolves into harem very quickly.

Yeah, there is a lot more interesting things that could be done with the concept than is actually done. I personally don't mind harem (at least, in concept); my main problem with most isekai is that they're all too often in a generic medieval setting, which, while fun, has been done to death and back. That, and often (but not always) the starting world is more of interest because, again, generic medieval settings are rather boring most of the time.

I don't have anything against the concept of the "isekai truck" (aka "truck-kun"), but it could be (and in rare cases, is) used for non-isekai purposes, and I'd like to see that more.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:41 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
As a concept, I like isekai a lot more than it's actually written most of the time. Primarily because it devolves into harem very quickly.

Yeah, there is a lot more interesting things that could be done with the concept than is actually done. I personally don't mind harem (at least, in concept); my main problem with most isekai is that they're all too often in a generic medieval setting, which, while fun, has been done to death and back. That, and often (but not always) the starting world is more of interest because, again, generic medieval settings are rather boring most of the time.

I don't have anything against the concept of the "isekai truck" (aka "truck-kun"), but it could be (and in rare cases, is) used for non-isekai purposes, and I'd like to see that more.

Maybe if 95% of harem characters weren’t two-dimensional, it’d be a salvageable genre...
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:44 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:snipped because while it's well written, it's way long

Ah yeah, I heard about that. Anime News Network disparaged it for having the audacity to claim false rape accusations aren't an impossibility in the laws of the universe (like a naked singularity, or a free quark), and Anime Feminist refused to even review it for the same reason. Suffice to say I look to these sources even less than I did before, which was already a number less than zero.

My personal thoughts? It seems pretty interesting, too busy for anime at the moment though, and I'm not really fond of isekai either. There doesn't seem to be anything worth getting upset about with the show, from what I've gathered from more reasonable parts of the internet.


It's a good show, and the false accusation is only a part of a much wider narrative about how the guy's lack of knowledge about the world he's in, and his status as the "shit hero" leads people to exploit him. That in turn allows a cynical character who's a bit of a jerk to retain audience sympathy and also grow through learning to trust a select group of people as he goes along. There's no wider narrative argument made over allegations generally being false, the lie is presented as a shocking, very unusual and awful thing to do, and a quick look at who kicked up a fuss about this show reveals that they're all terrible people.

The only controversy is that some people prefer chunky birb over trash panda as best girl.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:05 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Ah yeah, I heard about that. Anime News Network disparaged it for having the audacity to claim false rape accusations aren't an impossibility in the laws of the universe (like a naked singularity, or a free quark), and Anime Feminist refused to even review it for the same reason. Suffice to say I look to these sources even less than I did before, which was already a number less than zero.

My personal thoughts? It seems pretty interesting, too busy for anime at the moment though, and I'm not really fond of isekai either. There doesn't seem to be anything worth getting upset about with the show, from what I've gathered from more reasonable parts of the internet.


It's a good show, and the false accusation is only a part of a much wider narrative about how the guy's lack of knowledge about the world he's in, and his status as the "shit hero" leads people to exploit him. That in turn allows a cynical character who's a bit of a jerk to retain audience sympathy and also grow through learning to trust a select group of people as he goes along. There's no wider narrative argument made over allegations generally being false, the lie is presented as a shocking, very unusual and awful thing to do, and a quick look at who kicked up a fuss about this show reveals that they're all terrible people.

The only controversy is that some people prefer chunky birb over trash panda as best girl.


Panda is best. Even though I do like feathers.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:19 pm

Kubra wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Uh. Thanks for that.
As a fun fact, the whole ameriKKKa thing was started by a maoist group that did these absolutely insane marxist film reviews.
like yo no one wants to hear about the dialectics of shrek 2

I actually do want to hear about the dialectics of Shrek 2. But on a serious note, the whole Anerikkka thing? What’s up with that?
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:23 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
As a concept, I like isekai a lot more than it's actually written most of the time. Primarily because it devolves into harem very quickly.

Yeah, there is a lot more interesting things that could be done with the concept than is actually done. I personally don't mind harem (at least, in concept); my main problem with most isekai is that they're all too often in a generic medieval setting, which, while fun, has been done to death and back. That, and often (but not always) the starting world is more of interest because, again, generic medieval settings are rather boring most of the time.

I don't have anything against the concept of the "isekai truck" (aka "truck-kun"), but it could be (and in rare cases, is) used for non-isekai purposes, and I'd like to see that more.


All I want is a Yayoi period isekai anime where the protagonist invades Siberia and fights time traveling Putin.

But enough about anime (please). It's badly off-topic.
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Kubra wrote: As a fun fact, the whole ameriKKKa thing was started by a maoist group that did these absolutely insane marxist film reviews.
like yo no one wants to hear about the dialectics of shrek 2

I actually do want to hear about the dialectics of Shrek 2. But on a serious note, the whole Anerikkka thing? What’s up with that?


If I had to guess, it was probably a revival of the USSR's favorite deflection tactic: “And you are lynching Negroes.” because, as we know, the Soviet Union had absolutely no problem with racism, disregard all of those ethnic displacements.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:29 pm

As far as I’m aware, the Amerikkka thing is mostly a third-worldist thing, and is often used by their “edgier” members. See also “Shut the fuck up cracker”
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:31 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Yeah, there is a lot more interesting things that could be done with the concept than is actually done. I personally don't mind harem (at least, in concept); my main problem with most isekai is that they're all too often in a generic medieval setting, which, while fun, has been done to death and back. That, and often (but not always) the starting world is more of interest because, again, generic medieval settings are rather boring most of the time.

I don't have anything against the concept of the "isekai truck" (aka "truck-kun"), but it could be (and in rare cases, is) used for non-isekai purposes, and I'd like to see that more.


All I want is a Yayoi period isekai anime where the protagonist invades Siberia and fights time traveling Putin.

Now that, I would watch.

But enough about anime (please). It's badly off-topic.

As fun as it is to talk about, yeah, it's not really related to the LWDT.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:34 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:As far as I’m aware, the Amerikkka thing is mostly a third-worldist thing, and is often used by their “edgier” members. See also “Shut the fuck up cracker”


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Postby Grenartia » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:07 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:As far as I’m aware, the Amerikkka thing is mostly a third-worldist thing, and is often used by their “edgier” members. See also “Shut the fuck up cracker”


"Shut the fuck up cracker" is usually used by the whitest "Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Third-Worldist" in the group, completely unironically.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:14 pm

Grenartia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:As far as I’m aware, the Amerikkka thing is mostly a third-worldist thing, and is often used by their “edgier” members. See also “Shut the fuck up cracker”


"Shut the fuck up cracker" is usually used by the whitest "Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Third-Worldist" in the group, completely unironically.

Hearing “Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Third-Worldist” makes me want to icepick myself.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:22 pm

Playing Eu4 and sad that Dithsmarchen didn't have an imperialist attitude like you can force them to have in game :(

A peasants confederation would have been a nice addition to Europe.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Kubra » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:22 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kubra wrote: As a fun fact, the whole ameriKKKa thing was started by a maoist group that did these absolutely insane marxist film reviews.
like yo no one wants to hear about the dialectics of shrek 2

Eh. Insane leftist film analysts are a dime a dozen. Love 'em though. Out of curiosity, what was the channel's name?

U asked for it
https://www.prisoncensorship.info/archi ... hrek2.html
Y'all curb your expectations, these reviews are junior high quality.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:58 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Playing Eu4 and sad that Dithsmarchen didn't have an imperialist attitude like you can force them to have in game :(

A peasants confederation would have been a nice addition to Europe.


This is why all the cool peasants
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:14 pm

Kubra wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Eh. Insane leftist film analysts are a dime a dozen. Love 'em though. Out of curiosity, what was the channel's name?

U asked for it
https://www.prisoncensorship.info/archi ... hrek2.html
Y'all curb your expectations, these reviews are junior high quality.

You're right. This one's better.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:17 pm

Kubra wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Eh. Insane leftist film analysts are a dime a dozen. Love 'em though. Out of curiosity, what was the channel's name?

U asked for it
https://www.prisoncensorship.info/archi ... hrek2.html
Y'all curb your expectations, these reviews are junior high quality.

I can't believe that's not a satire.

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Postby Kubra » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:29 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kubra wrote: U asked for it
https://www.prisoncensorship.info/archi ... hrek2.html
Y'all curb your expectations, these reviews are junior high quality.

You're right. This one's better.
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https://www.prisoncensorship.info/archi ... hrek2.html
Y'all curb your expectations, these reviews are junior high quality.

I can't believe that's not a satire.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:32 pm

Grenartia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:As far as I’m aware, the Amerikkka thing is mostly a third-worldist thing, and is often used by their “edgier” members. See also “Shut the fuck up cracker”


"Shut the fuck up cracker" is usually used by the whitest "Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Third-Worldist" in the group, completely unironically.


>white people unironically using the term "cracker"

Is this peak big-brain liberalism?

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:40 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
"Shut the fuck up cracker" is usually used by the whitest "Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Third-Worldist" in the group, completely unironically.


>white people unironically using the term "cracker"

Is this peak big-brain liberalism?


Racism against whites and sexism against males is fairly normalized atm.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:41 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
>white people unironically using the term "cracker"

Is this peak big-brain liberalism?


Racism against whites and sexism against males is fairly normalized atm.


This, but unironically.

It’s actually concerning how the tables have turned.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:44 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Racism against whites and sexism against males is fairly normalized atm.


This, but unironically.

It’s actually concerning how the tables have turned.


I wasn't being ironic. Ofcourse it's concerning, but the progressive left refuses to admit they've made a mistake and alter course, they keep using the same ideological frameworks for understanding demography that lead to this problem despite it demonstrably failing.

The full blown pseudo-ancap right wing is capitalizing on it, but where there's a far-right alternative people are going there instead.

They look set to win about 20% of the seats in the EU parliament and be the second largest group there overall, behind the more mainstream conservatives.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:49 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
This, but unironically.

It’s actually concerning how the tables have turned.


I wasn't being ironic. Ofcourse it's concerning, but the progressive left refuses to admit they've made a mistake and alter course, they keep using the same ideological frameworks for understanding demography that lead to this problem despite it demonstrably failing.

The full blown pseudo-ancap right wing is capitalizing on it, but where there's a far-right alternative people are going there instead.

They look set to win about 20% of the seats in the EU parliament and be the second largest group there overall, behind the more mainstream conservatives.


It doesn’t exactly help that liberals attach themselves to leftism and sink them down.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:52 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I wasn't being ironic. Ofcourse it's concerning, but the progressive left refuses to admit they've made a mistake and alter course, they keep using the same ideological frameworks for understanding demography that lead to this problem despite it demonstrably failing.

The full blown pseudo-ancap right wing is capitalizing on it, but where there's a far-right alternative people are going there instead.

They look set to win about 20% of the seats in the EU parliament and be the second largest group there overall, behind the more mainstream conservatives.


It doesn’t exactly help that liberals attach themselves to leftism and sink them down.


Liberals are a major part of the problem in terms of their mismanagement of the economy and their toleration of progressive identity politics. They capitulated to the worst extremes of both ends of the spectrum with their toleration of conservative economics and progressive social policy.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:18 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:It doesn’t exactly help that liberals attach themselves to leftism and sink them down.


Whenever I see progressives calling themselves leftists, especially on video-sharing sites, I offer an instant critique. Hopefully, they are grateful. :p
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