LWDT VI: Kropotkin's Bread Dead Redemption.

[Cekoviu]

inb4 he calls me a furry.

We are all furries on this blessed day.

Speak for yourself.

[Liriena]

We are all furries on this blessed day.

Fun fact, 30-40% of furries are LGBT lol

But of course! It's a fun, kinky and colorful fandom. Gotta attract a lot of us.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Fun fact, 30-40% of furries are LGBT lol

But of course! It's a fun, kinky and colorful fandom. Gotta attract a lot of us.

>kinky

*INHALER WHEEZING FROM FLASHBACKS*

[Proctopeo]

Presently, there are two varieties of "the left" - those who believe in dismantling oppressive institutions and those who believe in diversifying oppressive institutions. I consider only the former to be legitimate.

Actual leftist: No more wars that serve only to enforce imperialist interests and enrich the military industrial complex.

Pseudo-leftist: Wouldn't it be great if a black Muslim transgender General led the invasions of Venezuela and Iran?

Actual leftist: Concerned with the workers who cannot survive on minimum wage, who are given less than pennies of the profits their labor generates.

Pseudo-leftist: Concerned with the woman in upper management who only makes $700,000 a year while her male counterpart makes a million.

Oh boy, more delegitimizing of social equality! My favorite part of leftist infighting!

I mean, those specific examples are ridiculous, most definitely on purpose, but still...
Also Maduro is the bad guy, calling a potential humanitarian intervention "imperialism" just means you like seeing Venezuelans starve

[Luminesa]

How do I mute the world "Amerikkka" across the whole internet?

Study the nature of reality until you see the world around you only as constantly-scrolling green text. Then run around the event horizon of a supermassive black hole until you're enough of a stretchyboi to dive straight into the internet's Main Tube, located in Hell, Norway.

I always knew Norway was abandoned by God. Now I have the facts to prove it.

[Valrifell]

Presently, there are two varieties of "the left" - those who believe in dismantling oppressive institutions and those who believe in diversifying oppressive institutions. I consider only the former to be legitimate.

Actual leftist: No more wars that serve only to enforce imperialist interests and enrich the military industrial complex.

Pseudo-leftist: Wouldn't it be great if a black Muslim transgender General led the invasions of Venezuela and Iran?

Actual leftist: Concerned with the workers who cannot survive on minimum wage, who are given less than pennies of the profits their labor generates.

Pseudo-leftist: Concerned with the woman in upper management who only makes $700,000 a year while her male counterpart makes a million.

Oh boy, more delegitimizing of social equality! My favorite part of leftist infighting!

A REAL Leftist wouldn't gatekeep because a REAL Leftist doesn't believe in gates!

...wait a second

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Oh boy, more delegitimizing of social equality! My favorite part of leftist infighting!

A REAL Leftist wouldn't gatekeep because a REAL Leftist doesn't believe in gates!

...wait a second

AuthSoc gang rise up?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Why?

But why are they "shit"? Why are they "bargain bin"?



How are they "uninteresting"? How is the content "low quality"? How are they not "good people"?

Any source I give you won't change your mind regardless, so to avoid an exercise in futility I'll just dismiss you uwu

How do I mute the world "Amerikkka" across the whole internet?

Get a word replacer. Also, mute people like Korouse.

Why would I mute Krouse? They're hilarious.

[The South Falls]

A REAL Leftist wouldn't gatekeep because a REAL Leftist doesn't believe in gates!

...wait a second

AuthSoc gang rise up?

AnarchoAuth gang rise farther.

[Hanafuridake]

Fun fact, 30-40% of furries are LGBT lol

But of course! It's a fun, kinky and colorful fandom. Gotta attract a lot of us.

This is why I only date butch women. Because the femmes in the LGBTQ+ community tend to be weird.

[Farnhamia]

To be clear, Procto is just an offended AmeriKKKan-style "libertarian" who doesn't like listening to content that disagrees with his cretinous ideology that reinforces capitalism. If any of you would like to know what capitalist governance has given us, just look at Jeffrey Epstein's case. The rich and powerful do not follow their own laws.

If you can't make your point without calling people names, don't try.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Oh boy, more delegitimizing of social equality! My favorite part of leftist infighting!

I mean, those specific examples are ridiculous, most definitely on purpose, but still...
Also Maduro is the bad guy, calling a potential humanitarian intervention "imperialism" just means you like seeing Venezuelans starve

I agree. Also "anti-imperialism" is usually just a ploy used by left-wing dictatorships such as the soviet union. It has become little more than a code word for anti-Americanism.

[Farnhamia]

How do I mute the world "Amerikkka" across the whole internet?

by logging off mr Xeno "hurt feefees" KKKonfederation

One might think you'd be a little circumspect after coming off a two-week ban, especially since your record is nothing to be proud of.

*** 3 week ban for flaming ***

The ice is very thin beneath your feet. You're on the verge of losing this nation.

[Cekoviu]

I mean, those specific examples are ridiculous, most definitely on purpose, but still...
Also Maduro is the bad guy, calling a potential humanitarian intervention "imperialism" just means you like seeing Venezuelans starve

I agree. Also "anti-imperialism" is usually just a ploy used by left-wing dictatorships such as the soviet union. It has become little more than a code word for anti-Americanism.

It's a dog-whistle for "let us do whatever we want without having to deal with pesky international laws", not related to America in particular. Also, anti-Americanism is not entirely unjustified, but that's beside the point.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

by logging off mr Xeno "hurt feefees" KKKonfederation

One might think you'd be a little circumspect after coming off a two-week ban, especially since your record is nothing to be proud of.

*** 3 week ban for flaming ***

The ice is very thin beneath your feet. You're on the verge of losing this nation.

That's kind of a bit harsh. I'm a big boy, I can take it.

[Farnhamia]

One might think you'd be a little circumspect after coming off a two-week ban, especially since your record is nothing to be proud of.

*** 3 week ban for flaming ***

The ice is very thin beneath your feet. You're on the verge of losing this nation.

That's kind of a bit harsh. I'm a big boy, I can take it.

No doubt, but defending you wasn't exactly the point. Some people have no respect for the rules and there are consequences for that.

[Kubra]

United $nake$ of amerKKKa

Uh. Thanks for that.

As a fun fact, the whole ameriKKKa thing was started by a maoist group that did these absolutely insane marxist film reviews.
like yo no one wants to hear about the dialectics of shrek 2

[Western Vale Confederacy]

But of course! It's a fun, kinky and colorful fandom. Gotta attract a lot of us.

This is why I only date butch women. Because the femmes in the LGBTQ+ community tend to be weird.

...Wut?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Uh. Thanks for that.

As a fun fact, the whole ameriKKKa thing was started by a maoist group that did these absolutely insane marxist film reviews.
like yo no one wants to hear about the dialectics of shrek 2

Eh. Insane leftist film analysts are a dime a dozen. Love 'em though. Out of curiosity, what was the channel's name?

[The Grene Knyght]

Uh. Thanks for that.

As a fun fact, the whole ameriKKKa thing was started by a maoist group that did these absolutely insane marxist film reviews.
like yo no one wants to hear about the dialectics of shrek 2

I kinda do

[Cekoviu]

Uh. Thanks for that.

As a fun fact, the whole ameriKKKa thing was started by a maoist group that did these absolutely insane marxist film reviews.
like yo no one wants to hear about the dialectics of shrek 2

Um, strongly disagree.

[Grenartia]

As a fun fact, the whole ameriKKKa thing was started by a maoist group that did these absolutely insane marxist film reviews.
like yo no one wants to hear about the dialectics of shrek 2

Um, strongly disagree.

Yeah, tankie propaganda is literally cancer.

[Ostroeuropa]

As a fun fact, the whole ameriKKKa thing was started by a maoist group that did these absolutely insane marxist film reviews.
like yo no one wants to hear about the dialectics of shrek 2

I kinda do

I also kind of do. That sounds interesting. I'm always interested in unpacking themes of a work.

On that topic, anyone got an opinion on this Shield Hero controversy and the competing narratives there?

Muh punyons about other peoples punyons.

Gotta say, the side saying it's an "Incel power fantasy" don't appear to be engaging with it very well. There's several scenes where society actively conspires against the protagonist and gaslights him because of his outgroup status, such as someone blatantly cheating in a competition against him, everybody seeing that, and everybody ignoring it and acting like it didn't happen.

Following this causing him to lose he basically has a complete breakdown and spends 5 minutes on air with his head buried in his arms and refusing to raise his head.

Not only that but the character is completely without fighting agency and can do nothing but protect other characters so that they can damage opponents. He also routinely displays classic signs of severe depression such as a loss of sense of taste.

That doesn't scream "power fantasy" to me. Furthermore the "Incel" part suggests it's just a snarl this particular group of professional activists LARPing as media critics have settled on, given that he's way more of a MGTOW than an Incel given his active "ehhhhh I don't trust anyone anymore please go away." attitude.

It suggests that, once again, we're seeing the usual suspects trotting out a narrative about how something is misogynistic and vilifying anyone who notes that viewpoint is unhinged and doesn't match reality but merely sticks to a script their ideology tells them the anime should be about based on some superifical elements and their worldview giving them a deformed understanding of the world, in this case they're doing it because something had the audacity to portray an instance of a false rape accusation and this makes the main character have trust issues.

Conversely, counter narratives seem to be pretty good at noting this is stupid and the types pushing it are just doing what they always do (throwing men under the bus by freaking out about an acknowledgement of a mens issue and equating that to misogyny), but don't go further to examine the actual social dynamics and narrative the work does engage with.

Muh punyons.

There's engagement with ethical economic relationships. A good example is where instead of just freely helping someone who needs help, because the protagonists time is valuable, he instead offers a deal revolving around an exchange of goods and services. Once his time is already bought however, and once he is in a position to help more than what was agreed, provided it doesn't cost him anything, he does so without hesitation and without demanding further payment. (In this case, delivering medicine for a cost when nobody else was capable of doing so, that cost being substantially less than "All your stuff since you can't spent it if you're dead lol", and freely upgrading that medicine without comment.).

That dynamic is repeated over and over. He expects compensation for something that takes up his time or resources, but doesn't exploit a situation even where he holds a monopoly, instead requesting only a proportional compensation. And where something doesn't require extra investment on his part, he doesn't require extra compensation merely because it delivers a better service. Compare/contrast, for instance, modern internet service providers.
He does profit from his activities, but doesn't appear to exploit.

There's also engagement with racism and slavery. Other characters simply accept the racism against "Demi-humans" (animal-human hybrids) in the society in part because they benefit from it and because it is omnipresent. The main character, conversely, doesn't buy in to the racism even though he actively relies and benefits from it through his ownership of a slave. Unequivocally the worst thing he does is buy the slave, as nobody is willing to work with him due to his status, and yet he has no offensive agency, so he needs someone to deal damage while he tanks. In the source material this is given an added layer of character insight because he initially goes to the slave market wanting to buy a male slave because he doesn't want to be around women, right up until he sees a slave that reminds him of his accuser and decides "actually I want to buy that one because then I can trick myself in to feeling like It's her sometimes.", which is like, what the fuck man. That's a pretty understandable reaction even if its super fucked up.

It gives insight into how powerless he feels over the situation and how it dominates his experience.
It's worth noting he doesn't abuse her in any way.

But this engagement with slavery also sidles up to the gender dynamic narrative in a way you'd *think* The usual suspects would approve of while at the same time dealing with racism and so on. The main character assumes that the moment the slave is free she will abandon him. Instead she explains that she enjoys his company and their time together and didn't need to be forced to spend time with him, and is happy they can now do so as equals.

That's pretty much exactly counter to the narrative about womens liberation that those opposed to it tend to trot out there. But I guess that doesn't matter because, omg rape accusations misogyny.

Coupled with the racism thing you've also got how his experience as a pariah brings him closer to marginalized groups and sympathizing more with them over the course of the story, and bringing it back to ethical economic relationships you've got slow and steady undermining of slavery as being okay even within the context of this fantasy world.

[Proctopeo]

snipped because while it's well written, it's way long

Ah yeah, I heard about that. Anime News Network disparaged it for having the audacity to claim false rape accusations aren't an impossibility in the laws of the universe (like a naked singularity, or a free quark), and Anime Feminist refused to even review it for the same reason. Suffice to say I look to these sources even less than I did before, which was already a number less than zero.

My personal thoughts? It seems pretty interesting, too busy for anime at the moment though, and I'm not really fond of isekai either. There doesn't seem to be anything worth getting upset about with the show, from what I've gathered from more reasonable parts of the internet.

[Valrifell]

Oh that was about anime?