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by Jolthig » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:55 pm
Liriena wrote:Frievolk wrote:Did he just blame the African Americans for being Slaves or did I read that horribly wrong
This is also the guy who famously said that the Death Star and the trench run in the first Star Wars movie were some sort of metaphor for matriarchy, where the Death Star was an egg and the proton torpedo was the sperm. Very cool.
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:00 pm
by Frievolk » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:03 pm
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by Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:08 pm
Frievolk wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
I'd say west african slavers were as morally culpable as plantation owners, not more so. Both derived profit from chattel slavery. It's not like it was a mystery what was being done with the people.
Yeah, but he specifically mentioned "Blacks", which is more commonly used for (within that context) African American, not "African" (Which would, somewhat, be accurate).
Besides, By 1807 There were no more slaves legally transported into America anyway. The blame for Slavery in America lands solely and only on the whites.
by Frievolk » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:15 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Frievolk wrote:Yeah, but he specifically mentioned "Blacks", which is more commonly used for (within that context) African American, not "African" (Which would, somewhat, be accurate).
Besides, By 1807 There were no more slaves legally transported into America anyway. The blame for Slavery in America lands solely and only on the whites.
You've got about 60 years of no sales of slaves who were known to be kept as chattel and born in bondage before the civil war compared to about 500 years of slavery overall, and its worth noting that it was whites who shut down the trade for good and forced west africans to stop doing it, ending the practice for the first time in thousands of years.
Slavery in the US is the fault of west African and American society. But the abolition of it? That's kind of a Euro-American victory alone. Not so certain you want to pretend our civs are the bad guys in comparison to west Africa here.
In comparison to the slaves, yes, we were bad.
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by Conserative Morality » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:17 pm
Frievolk wrote:
He nor I didn't bring up civilizations. He brought up ethnicities. If you're gonna blame an ethnicity for Slavery in the United States of America, the one to blame is the White Man, because for most of the slavery period of the US, the Slave Trade had been shut down. If you wanna blame someone for the Transatlantic Slave Trade, both West Africans and Europeans are at fault -for obvious reason. "But we abolished it" doesn't mean jackshit when there are people still defending an illegal state that came into existence to support it.
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:18 pm
Frievolk wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
You've got about 60 years of no sales of slaves who were known to be kept as chattel and born in bondage before the civil war compared to about 500 years of slavery overall, and its worth noting that it was whites who shut down the trade for good and forced west africans to stop doing it, ending the practice for the first time in thousands of years.
Slavery in the US is the fault of west African and American society. But the abolition of it? That's kind of a Euro-American victory alone. Not so certain you want to pretend our civs are the bad guys in comparison to west Africa here.
In comparison to the slaves, yes, we were bad.
He nor I didn't bring up civilizations. He brought up ethnicities. If you're gonna blame an ethnicity for Slavery in the United States of America, the one to blame is the White Man, because for most of the slavery period of the US, the Slave Trade had been shut down. If you wanna blame someone for the Transatlantic Slave Trade, both West Africans and Europeans are at fault -for obvious reason. "But we abolished it" doesn't mean jackshit when there are people still defending an illegal state that came into existence to support it.
by Frievolk » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:20 pm
Seeing the White Man as the victim in Slavery in a nuclear take, on par with "You weren't intelligent, you were just white" in education.Conserative Morality wrote:Frievolk wrote:
He nor I didn't bring up civilizations. He brought up ethnicities. If you're gonna blame an ethnicity for Slavery in the United States of America, the one to blame is the White Man, because for most of the slavery period of the US, the Slave Trade had been shut down. If you wanna blame someone for the Transatlantic Slave Trade, both West Africans and Europeans are at fault -for obvious reason. "But we abolished it" doesn't mean jackshit when there are people still defending an illegal state that came into existence to support it.
The white man was just a victim of the black man's ruthless mercantilism!
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by Fahran » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:36 pm
Frievolk wrote:Seeing the White Man as the victim in Slavery in a nuclear take, on par with "You weren't intelligent, you were just white" in education.
by Communal concils » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:09 pm
by The New California Republic » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:12 pm
Communal concils wrote:Anyone want to debate.
by Communal concils » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:22 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:24 pm
by Communal concils » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:26 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Ocasio Cortez mentioned market socialism on a mainstream news network and drew a distinction between it and state socialism while saying she believes the market handles consumer goods better. (I.E, "Public healthcare, Market Socialist video games.").
I always thought the media were just ignorant idiots but the way the Journalist IMMEDIATELY changed the conversation and looked like he shat himself live on air leads me to believe these chucklefucks who lie about socialism = state constantly know exactly what they are doing.
by Kubra » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:27 pm
about what
by Valrifell » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:27 pm
Communal concils wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:Ocasio Cortez mentioned market socialism on a mainstream news network and drew a distinction between it and state socialism while saying she believes the market handles consumer goods better. (I.E, "Public healthcare, Market Socialist video games.").
I always thought the media were just ignorant idiots but the way the Journalist IMMEDIATELY changed the conversation and looked like he shat himself live on air leads me to believe these chucklefucks who lie about socialism = state constantly know exactly what they are doing.
I bet that she would lose. A more "progressive" individual could take her place
by The New California Republic » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:28 pm
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by Ostroeuropa » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:31 pm
by Communal concils » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:34 pm
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