LWDT VI: Kropotkin's Bread Dead Redemption.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Moderate authoritarianism is a notable aspect.

"Moderate" anything would suggest a decidedly not oddball set of views........

Eeh, it depends.

Certain things like moderate authoritarianism/libertarianism certainly seem quite tame and normal, but you can feel the edge when somebody says they are a "moderate Nazi" or "moderate Communist".

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Oddball, in what manner?

Moderate authoritarianism is a notable aspect.

Moderate authoritarianism?

[Cappuccina]

"Moderate" anything would suggest a decidedly not oddball set of views........

Eeh, it depends.

Certain things like moderate authoritarianism/libertarianism certainly seem quite tame and normal, but you can feel the edge when somebody says they are a "moderate Nazi" or "moderate Communist".

That's not even "edge" really, just a sign the person doesn't know what they're talking about.

[Kubra]

Eeh, it depends.

Certain things like moderate authoritarianism/libertarianism certainly seem quite tame and normal, but you can feel the edge when somebody says they are a "moderate Nazi" or "moderate Communist".

That's not even "edge" really, just a sign the person doesn't know what they're talking about.

It's entirely possible to be a moderate communst, just join the CPUSA heyoooooo

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I would amend that. Only extreme mixed economy socialism can work.
Further amended.

IMO, modern capitalism and a mixed economy are identical.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I would amend that. Only extreme mixed economy socialism can work.
Further amended.

IMO, modern capitalism and a mixed economy are identical.

It certainly isn't laissez-faire capitalism though, and that variant of capitalism is goddamn awful.

[The New California Republic]

I would amend that. Only extreme mixed economy socialism can work.
Further amended.

IMO, modern capitalism and a mixed economy are identical.

Not really. Modern capitalism doesn't have major industries in public ownership...

[Pasong Tirad]

You may have a radically different understanding of White Man's Burden if you think it's comparable to telling people not to kill the gays and accept that transpeople are real.

Duh, obviously the two are not the same. They share a similar theme though, Western nations intervening in other, generally poorer countries, to assert their own cultural and social ideals. Unless you literally advocate going around and politely asking other nations to stop oppressing people, the methods to achieve change are similarly invasive to how White Man's Burden was achieved.

Except White Man's Burden was all about racism and the subjugation of "lesser races" "for their own good." Not at all comparable to the liberation of the LGBT and the fight for SOGIE equality.

Relevant

Yes, because the far left = "oppression is bad" and the far right = "oppression is good."

This, but unironically.

Also I'm not even "far left" so idk where you're getting that from. But the far right definitely has a full, complete history of oppressing people based on sexual orientation, ethnic, and religious background.

We can't really compromise with people who think certain kinds of people are less-than-human.

Cool, but people who think that certain kinds of people are less than human make up less than 1% of people.

Yeah, no.

[Valrifell]

IMO, modern capitalism and a mixed economy are identical.

It certainly isn't laissez-faire capitalism though, and that variant of capitalism is goddamn awful.

Shh, you'll agitate the Right-Libertarians.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

It certainly isn't laissez-faire capitalism though, and that variant of capitalism is goddamn awful.

Shh, you'll agitate the Right-Libertarians.

I don't think the McDonald's death squads will care much about a lowly worker's political opinion.

[Cappuccina]

I would amend that. Only extreme mixed economy socialism can work.
Further amended.

IMO, modern capitalism and a mixed economy are identical.

Modern capitalism is basically mixed economy-lite.

[Pasong Tirad]

Shh, you'll agitate the Right-Libertarians.

I don't think the McDonald's death squads will care much about a lowly worker's political opinion.

Which is why we have to organize and unionize. The Ronald McDonald McDeath Squads (sponsored by the McBurger™) can't kill all of us.

[Telconi]

IMO, modern capitalism and a mixed economy are identical.

Not really. Modern capitalism doesn't have major industries in public ownership...

Nexter, Pemex, and the UK's NHS say "Hi"

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I don't think the McDonald's death squads will care much about a lowly worker's political opinion.

Which is why we have to organize and unionize. The Ronald McDonald McDeath Squads (sponsored by the McBurger™) can't kill all of us.

I may have smirked at the idea of Ronald McDonald's death squads, probably 'cause I remembered Ronald McDonald's Houses for sick children are a thing.

[The New California Republic]

Not really. Modern capitalism doesn't have major industries in public ownership...

Nexter, Pemex, and the UK's NHS say "Hi"

Very few, not nearly enough to make the claim that they exist in a true "mixed economy".

And the NHS is a not-for-profit healthcare service provider, so I doubt it'd be classed as an "industry".

[Pasong Tirad]

Which is why we have to organize and unionize. The Ronald McDonald McDeath Squads (sponsored by the McBurger™) can't kill all of us.

I may have smirked at the idea of Ronald McDonald's death squads, probably 'cause I remembered Ronald McDonald's Houses for sick children are a thing.

I'm remembering that old McDonald's flash game that was just all about how corrupt McDonald's is. Still accurate to this day, I'm guessing.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I may have smirked at the idea of Ronald McDonald's death squads, probably 'cause I remembered Ronald McDonald's Houses for sick children are a thing.

I'm remembering that old McDonald's flash game that was just all about how corrupt McDonald's is. Still accurate to this day, I'm guessing.

You get a free cookie for even remembering that goddamn flash game.

[Telconi]

Nexter, Pemex, and the UK's NHS say "Hi"

Very few, not nearly enough to make the claim that they exist in a true "mixed economy".

And the NHS is a not-for-profit healthcare service provider, so I doubt it'd be classed as an "industry".

You don't have to turn a profit to engage in industry.

And a mixture can be a mixture regardless of ratio...

[The New California Republic]

Very few, not nearly enough to make the claim that they exist in a true "mixed economy".

And the NHS is a not-for-profit healthcare service provider, so I doubt it'd be classed as an "industry".

You don't have to turn a profit to engage in industry.

And a mixture can be a mixture regardless of ratio...

It was conceived of as a public service.

And by mixed economy I was using Alec Nove's definition as part of "feasible socialism", which I mentioned earlier, which consists of "state-enterprises for large industries, worker and consumer cooperatives, private enterprises for small-scale operations and individually owned enterprises."

[Telconi]

You don't have to turn a profit to engage in industry.

And a mixture can be a mixture regardless of ratio...

It was conceived of as a public service.

And by mixed economy I was using Alec Nove's definition as part of "feasible socialism", which I mentioned earlier, which consists of "state-enterprises for large industries, worker and consumer cooperatives, private enterprises for small-scale operations and individually owned enterprises."

Which is irrelevant, health care is an industry, the fact the NHS is non-profit, conceived of as a public service, taxpayer funded, the best estate thing since sliced bread, etc. doesn't change that it is an entity which is engaged in that indistry, to the extent even that it holds a complete monopoly, AFAIK There are not independent, for profit physicians in the UK.

Well, it isn't that, certainly, but it is a mixed economy to a degree. I think less important than the size of the industry, is it's importance to the people, something like healthcare, public utility, energy, or defense are obviously prime targets for nationalization IMO, the company that makes birthday cards, even if it's a massive employer, is less important.

[The New California Republic]

It was conceived of as a public service.

And by mixed economy I was using Alec Nove's definition as part of "feasible socialism", which I mentioned earlier, which consists of "state-enterprises for large industries, worker and consumer cooperatives, private enterprises for small-scale operations and individually owned enterprises."

Which is irrelevant, health care is an industry, the fact the NHS is non-profit, conceived of as a public service, taxpayer funded, the best estate thing since sliced bread, etc. doesn't change that it is an entity which is engaged in that indistry, to the extent even that it holds a complete monopoly, AFAIK There are not independent, for profit physicians in the UK.

Wrong.

[Telconi]

Which is irrelevant, health care is an industry, the fact the NHS is non-profit, conceived of as a public service, taxpayer funded, the best estate thing since sliced bread, etc. doesn't change that it is an entity which is engaged in that indistry, to the extent even that it holds a complete monopoly, AFAIK There are not independent, for profit physicians in the UK.

Wrong.

Uh, noted...

[Democratic Communist Federation]

It certainly isn't laissez-faire capitalism though, and that variant of capitalism is goddamn awful.

It began as Keynesian capitalism (after the Great Depression). These days, the mixed economy, or modern capitalism, is a mix of different perspectives.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Not really. Modern capitalism doesn't have major industries in public ownership...

The fact that the U.S., for instance, has a Social Security system is an example of a mixed economy. Major industries in public ownership is not a requirement for a mixed economy. These days, all economies are mixed in various ways.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Modern capitalism is basically mixed economy-lite.

Yep.