Like 70% of leftists on this site are either ancoms or hard tankies.
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by Hammer Britannia » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:48 am
by Autarkheia » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:02 am
What is it with all the tankies on the internet. I guess they have nothing better to do.Hammer Britannia wrote:Like 70% of leftists on this site are either ancoms or hard tankies.
Individualism as in "you can be yourself" is good. It's only individualism as in "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" neoliberal ideology that's bad.Dumb Ideologies wrote:6.5/10: "it's not terrible". A bit too much individualism and parliamentary democracy, but it may still produce a slightly more balanced society than the status quo.
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:04 am
Autarkheia wrote:What is it with all the tankies on the internet. I guess they have nothing better to do.Hammer Britannia wrote:Like 70% of leftists on this site are either ancoms or hard tankies.Individualism as in "you can be yourself" is good. It's only individualism as in "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" neoliberal ideology that's bad.Dumb Ideologies wrote:6.5/10: "it's not terrible". A bit too much individualism and parliamentary democracy, but it may still produce a slightly more balanced society than the status quo.
by Autarkheia » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:10 am
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:19 am
by Autarkheia » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:26 am
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:29 am
Autarkheia wrote:If it looks like a goose, and it steps like a goose ...
by Autarkheia » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:38 am
I don't though. I just think a self-proclaimed "national syndicalist" talking about the need for social collectivism sounds kinda fashy.Dumb Ideologies wrote:But if all you see is geese it's time to refine your bird-recognition algorithms
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:49 am
Autarkheia wrote:I don't though. I just think a self-proclaimed "national syndicalist" talking about the need for social collectivism sounds kinda fashy.Dumb Ideologies wrote:But if all you see is geese it's time to refine your bird-recognition algorithms
The way the left throws around the word to refer to anyone right of FDR is cringy though.
by Frievolk » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:58 am
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Compromising with people who, at best, only care about maintaining the status quo rather than extending justice and liberty to those who've been crushed under some kind of oppression and who, at worst, actively wish to ruin life for all but a bullshit idea of an in-group based on race, sex, gender, creed, etc. is fucking stupid.
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by Proctopeo » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:06 am
Liriena wrote:Ewww, no. Fuck "blue" labor and any other left movement that thinks pandering to social conservatism is good.
Seriously, "family, faith and flag"? As if all three of those hadn't been used over the course of the twentieth century as excuses to imprison, torture and slaughter everyone to the left of Pinochet (and, y'know, queer people, religious minorities, secularists, youth activists and pacifists).
Also, totally unrelated, but the amount of "classical liberal" salt in the comments under the Patreon explanation for deplatforming Carl Benjamin is incredible.
by United Muscovite Nations » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:31 am
Autarkheia wrote:Like Stalinism or anarcho-communism or something? They do ... for a given value of "work".Hammer Britannia wrote:People think extreme socialism can work in this thread
On a side note I think Titoism was probably the best implementation of Marxist-Leninism. Which isn't saying much, but still.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:57 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Autarkheia wrote:Ideally, libertarian socialism; realistically, some kind of market socialism within a liberal democracy.
6.5/10: "it's not terrible". A bit too much individualism and parliamentary democracy, but it may still produce a slightly more balanced society than the status quo.
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:00 pm
by Hammer Britannia » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:01 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Autarkheia wrote:Like Stalinism or anarcho-communism or something? They do ... for a given value of "work".
On a side note I think Titoism was probably the best implementation of Marxist-Leninism. Which isn't saying much, but still.
Titoism was far less successful than the Soviet Union, and only survived due to generous economic aid from the Western countries and the Soviet Union.
by United Muscovite Nations » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:07 pm
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:15 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Hammer Britannia wrote:no u
Not sure how serious this is, but the data is pretty easy to find. Yugoslavia always had massive unemployment and racked up a massive amount of debt. Their economy had essentially imploded by 1970 and was only kept alive by loans until the 1990's when the political situation became untenable.
by United Muscovite Nations » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:17 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:Not sure how serious this is, but the data is pretty easy to find. Yugoslavia always had massive unemployment and racked up a massive amount of debt. Their economy had essentially imploded by 1970 and was only kept alive by loans until the 1990's when the political situation became untenable.
True, but some of that difference will be down to less preferential access to either capitalist or socialist markets and lack of a lot of the propping up economies got in those days. It's a difficult time to go your own way. Obligatory mention of the Soviets' habit of inflating their own economic numbers somewhat.
by Democratic Communist Federation » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:32 pm
Pasong Tirad wrote:We can't really compromise with people who think certain kinds of people are less-than-human.
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:34 pm
Autarkheia wrote:Ideally, libertarian socialism; realistically, some kind of market socialism within a liberal democracy.
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:35 pm
Hammer Britannia wrote:People think extreme socialism can work in this thread
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by Liriena » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:46 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Liriena wrote:Ewww, no. Fuck "blue" labor and any other left movement that thinks pandering to social conservatism is good.
Seriously, "family, faith and flag"? As if all three of those hadn't been used over the course of the twentieth century as excuses to imprison, torture and slaughter everyone to the left of Pinochet (and, y'know, queer people, religious minorities, secularists, youth activists and pacifists).
Also, totally unrelated, but the amount of "classical liberal" salt in the comments under the Patreon explanation for deplatforming Carl Benjamin is incredible.
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by Aellex » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:49 pm
Liriena wrote:Ewww, no. Fuck "blue" labor and any other left movement that thinks pandering to social conservatism is good.
Seriously, "family, faith and flag"? As if all three of those hadn't been used over the course of the twentieth century as excuses to imprison, torture and slaughter everyone to the left of Pinochet (and, y'know, queer people, religious minorities, secularists, youth activists and pacifists).
by The New California Republic » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:49 pm
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