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Which Form of Leftism is The Best?

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:41 pm

Mardla wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:"I personally don't want to be considered an inferior by mixing with a lesser race."

On the contrary, I consider them superior races, which is why their deteriorating countries need them much more than we do.

You call them "superior races" and yet you use "third world country" as a derogatory given the idea of the these "superior races" entering your country. Get fucking real. You're not even trying to hide it, you literally believe in the idea of "lesser" and "superior" races.

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Pasong Tirad wrote:"I personally don't want to be considered an inferior by mixing with a lesser race."


I mean, I personally believe in the theory that with generous amounts of interbreeding, humanity will eventually coalesce into a single united mixed race.

It's General Soros' goal for every Antifa supersoldier.
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Postby Mardla » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:43 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Mardla wrote:On the contrary, I consider them superior races, which is why their deteriorating countries need them much more than we do.

You call them "superior races" and yet you use "third world country" as a derogatory given the idea of the these "superior races" entering your country. Get fucking real. You're not even trying to hide it, you literally believe in the idea of "lesser" and "superior" races.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I mean, I personally believe in the theory that with generous amounts of interbreeding, humanity will eventually coalesce into a single united mixed race.

It's General Soros' goal for every Antifa supersoldier.

I believe that if the population of Mexico was replaced with Americans, and vice versa, that the two countries would be vastly different. Do you disagree?
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:44 pm

Mardla wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:You call them "superior races" and yet you use "third world country" as a derogatory given the idea of the these "superior races" entering your country. Get fucking real. You're not even trying to hide it, you literally believe in the idea of "lesser" and "superior" races.


It's General Soros' goal for every Antifa supersoldier.

I believe that if the population of Mexico was replaced with Americans, and vice versa, that the two countries would be vastly different. Do you disagree?

Except there's no replacement actually going on.

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Postby Mardla » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:46 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Mardla wrote:I believe that if the population of Mexico was replaced with Americans, and vice versa, that the two countries would be vastly different. Do you disagree?

Except there's no replacement actually going on.

I never said there was. I am saying Mexico is Mexico because of Mexicans. Do you agree?
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:49 pm

Mardla wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Except there's no replacement actually going on.

I never said there was. I am saying Mexico is Mexico because of Mexicans. Do you agree?

Don't give a shit, that's not the point. You're trying to reword your race realist nonsense into more flowery language like "oh Mexico is Mexico because of Mexicans" and whatever the fuck when we all know what you mean by "Mexicans" is "brown people," i.e. your so-called "superior race."

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Postby New haven america » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:51 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Mardla wrote:I never said there was. I am saying Mexico is Mexico because of Mexicans. Do you agree?

Don't give a shit, that's not the point. You're trying to reword your race realist nonsense into more flowery language like "oh Mexico is Mexico because of Mexicans" and whatever the fuck when we all know what you mean by "Mexicans" is "brown people," i.e. your so-called "superior race."

It also doesn't help his case that the majority of Mexicans are considered White by most of Latin America...
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:53 pm

Mardla wrote:I know what dialectic is, but class struggle is definitely us vs them.


The point of class struggle is to eliminate social classes, not to perpetuate them.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:53 pm

New haven america wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Don't give a shit, that's not the point. You're trying to reword your race realist nonsense into more flowery language like "oh Mexico is Mexico because of Mexicans" and whatever the fuck when we all know what you mean by "Mexicans" is "brown people," i.e. your so-called "superior race."

It also doesn't help his case that the majority of Mexicans are considered White by most of Latin America...

Really? I personally didn't know that. But I guess many Latin Americans do have more Spanish ancestry than most. Classifications here are based on ancestry, not exactly by skin color.

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Postby Mardla » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:54 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Mardla wrote:I never said there was. I am saying Mexico is Mexico because of Mexicans. Do you agree?

Don't give a shit, that's not the point. You're trying to reword your race realist nonsense into more flowery language like "oh Mexico is Mexico because of Mexicans" and whatever the fuck when we all know what you mean by "Mexicans" is "brown people," i.e. your so-called "superior race."

I am saying the Mexican people and American people are not fungible. Do you agree?
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:54 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Us vs. them, because horseshoe theory.


Horseshoe theory is nonsense, since it ignores left- and right-libertarians.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:55 pm

Mardla wrote:Of course, you are an advocate of treason and need people for your army. You consider a curb in immigration to be a threat to this.


Define treason (technically). Then provide a justification for why I would fit the definition.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:56 pm

Mardla wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Don't give a shit, that's not the point. You're trying to reword your race realist nonsense into more flowery language like "oh Mexico is Mexico because of Mexicans" and whatever the fuck when we all know what you mean by "Mexicans" is "brown people," i.e. your so-called "superior race."

I am saying the Mexican people and American people are not fungible. Do you agree?

You literally just reworded your "Mexico is Mexican because of Mexicans." I'm not playing your game here, we all know what you mean by "Mexicans and Americans are not interchangeable."

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Postby New haven america » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:57 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
New haven america wrote:It also doesn't help his case that the majority of Mexicans are considered White by most of Latin America...

Really? I personally didn't know that. But I guess many Latin Americans do have more Spanish ancestry than most. Classifications here are based on ancestry, not exactly by skin color.

Oh yeah, Mexican as a race is something only Mexicans recognize (Though this idea has been doing a bit of cultural osmosis in the US and Canada, not at any governmental level though). Everyone else in Latin America recognizes them by the "Standard" race classifications (Which I personally think should be done away with, but eh, I don't get to make those decisions it seems) of Black, White, Asian, Native, mixed, etc... So most Mexicans are considered either White or mixed White/Native American by every Latin American country excluding Mexico.
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Postby Mardla » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:01 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Mardla wrote:Of course, you are an advocate of treason and need people for your army. You consider a curb in immigration to be a threat to this.


Define treason (technically). Then provide a justification for why I would fit the definition.

The Constitution's definition.

I didn't say you committed treason, I said you advocated it.
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Postby Mardla » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:01 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Mardla wrote:I am saying the Mexican people and American people are not fungible. Do you agree?

You literally just reworded your "Mexico is Mexican because of Mexicans." I'm not playing your game here, we all know what you mean by "Mexicans and Americans are not interchangeable."

Do you disagree?
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:03 pm

New haven america wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Really? I personally didn't know that. But I guess many Latin Americans do have more Spanish ancestry than most. Classifications here are based on ancestry, not exactly by skin color.

Oh yeah, Mexican as a race is something only Mexicans recognize (Though this idea has been doing a bit of cultural osmosis in the US and Canada, not at any governmental level though). Everyone else in Latin America recognizes them by the "Standard" race classifications (Which I personally think should be done away with, but eh, I don't get to make those decisions it seems) of Black, White, Asian, Native, mixed, etc... So most Mexicans are considered either White or mixed White/Native American by every Latin American country excluding Mexico.

Ah, that classification. Well if it helps we still use that in a sense. We either differentiate people by their "home province" (because most people in the Metro are internal immigrants from somewhere else in the Philippines), so we classify them by which province their ancestry comes from (and possibly by what language they speak other than Tagalog). And then, on the other hand, we also sometimes use the old Spanish distinctions of race such as Mestizo, moreno, chinito (which isn't exactly a Spanish term) based on the lightness of the skin, and then if you're white we have to differentiate on whether or not you're light skinned because you're Chinese or not. Thankfully we've done away with the more ludicrous classifications (such as the distinction between insulares and peninsulares, etc.).

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Pasong Tirad wrote:You literally just reworded your "Mexico is Mexican because of Mexicans." I'm not playing your game here, we all know what you mean by "Mexicans and Americans are not interchangeable."

Do you disagree?

I'm not going to answer that because I know you're trying to trap me into saying something you can argue against. Your whole tangent is inarguable and should be stamped out because it relies on scientific racist nonsense.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:18 pm

Mardla wrote:I didn't say you committed treason, I said you advocated it.


How can I advocate something you have not defined? I have no idea of what you are talking about.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:20 pm

Mardla wrote:The Constitution's definition.


Which people have been debating for more than two centuries.
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Postby Reikoku » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:21 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:"I personally don't want to be considered an inferior by mixing with a lesser race."


I mean, I personally believe in the theory that with generous amounts of interbreeding, humanity will eventually coalesce into a single united mixed race.


I don't think that'll occur because it relies on the notion of immutable races (White, Black, Asian, etc.) and ignores genetic variation within races.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:22 pm

It legit baffles me that people can consider white Hispanics non-white. For fucks sake, even the black ones are, well, fucking Hispanic. They have a European civilization. What's the goddamn problem here?

They're catholic and socially conservative?

yeah that's kind of fucked, but the protestants in Murica aren't exactly Anglicans you know.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:32 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:It legit baffles me that people can consider white Hispanics non-white. For fucks sake, even the black ones are, well, fucking Hispanic. They have a European civilization. What's the goddamn problem here?

They're catholic and socially conservative?

yeah that's kind of fucked, but the protestants in Murica aren't exactly Anglicans you know.


That's the idiocy of the concept of whiteness in general, Ostro. A white and black person have a baby? It's considered black.

A half-white/half-black person and a white person have a baby? It's black.

Repeat ad infinitum or until the original black ancestor is so far up the family tree that being black as a racial concept becomes irrelevant.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:15 pm

What should be done in response to South Africas escalating actions against whites in their nation?
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:25 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:What should be done in response to South Africas escalating actions against whites in their nation?

Before or after we bask in the irony?

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Postby Valgora » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:26 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:What should be done in response to South Africas escalating actions against whites in their nation?

I don't know.
I don't pay attention to South Africa, and I have more important things to worry about right now.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:32 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:What should be done in response to South Africas escalating actions against whites in their nation?

Before or after we bask in the irony?


The Black peoples ancestors in south africa overwhelmingly arrived after the White people, and actually genocided the original black inhabitants who the whites were trading with before losing their attempt to do the same to the whites (At first, it would seem.).

Apartheid was ended through international action to end officially sanctioned racist government in south africa. There is nothing ironic about it returning unless you subscribe to a tribalist view of racial equality.

Furthermore their officials are now regularly ranting about killing whites, how their time is up, and so on, and violence against white south africans has been persistent for years now, at about double the average murder rate (That average itself being inflated by crime against white south africans.).
Beyond that you've got organized rape against them and so on.

So it seems to me you've got a genocidal and violent invader culture doing precisely what the Apartheid government said they would do the moment they were given the right to vote.

There's no irony there. It's just a matter of anti-white hatred and racism against whites that has infested our view of the world that would make people think so.

Ending apartheid and then not defending the situation we put into place and forcing the south african government to stick to racial equality isn't progress, isn't ironic, and isn't justice. It is merely an example of how the toxic progressive worldview is anti-white in practice.
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