LWDT VI: Kropotkin's Bread Dead Redemption.

[New Wrepland]

No, in fact Bernie cultists do more than dislike Hillary, they also like Bernie.

Again with that word...they are hardly cultists.

I think you're setting an unnecessarily high standard for the usage of this term. 'Cult' is used to describe a group with very extreme, zealotous views who venerate a certain person. It can, and often is, used even looser than that.

Here are some examples of that found with Google:

Cult Archaeology and Unscientific Method and Theory

Is Graduate School a Cult?

Why would anyone in their right mind want to join the vegan cult?

I can only imagine that you are nitpicking out of your own veneration for Bernie.

[Benuty]

Again with that word...they are hardly cultists.

I think you're setting an unnecessarily high standard for the usage of this term. 'Cult' is used to describe a group with very extreme, zealotous views who venerate a certain person. It can, and often is, used even looser than that.

Here are some examples of that found with Google:

Cult Archaeology and Unscientific Method and Theory

Is Graduate School a Cult?

Why would anyone in their right mind want to join the vegan cult?

I can only imagine that you are nitpicking out of your own veneration for Bernie.

I have more potential Native American blood in me from ancestors raping other ancestors than potential veneration for Bernie Sanders. Hell I believe in an ideology which is the exact opposite to his whipped up showmanship style democratic socialism. I still think calling his supporters cultists makes little sense, and is nothing, but salt as one poster pointed it out earlier.

[Aellex]

>0 deaths from radiation
>34 deaths from evacuation

Much danger, very Armageddon.

I never said anything about armageddon. I was pointing out the hazards of using nuclear energy. Three Mile Island and Chernobyl are other examples. Nuclear energy is too risky. Renewable sources of energy (wind, solar, etc.) are better options.

Except they don't reach even the foot of nuclear when it comes to energy production. Renewable energy are way too costly and unproductive.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I never said anything about armageddon. I was pointing out the hazards of using nuclear energy. Three Mile Island and Chernobyl are other examples. Nuclear energy is too risky. Renewable sources of energy (wind, solar, etc.) are better options.

Except they don't reach even the foot of nuclear when it comes to energy production. Renewable energy are way too costly and unproductive.

I personally consider alternative clean sources of energy (wind, solar, etc...) to be more supportive sources than main ones. Excellent as buttresses to main power sources, but too weak to be a main power source.

Nuclear and hydroelectric power is where the bulk of energy production is at when it comes to clean energy.

[Aellex]

Except they don't reach even the foot of nuclear when it comes to energy production. Renewable energy are way too costly and unproductive.

I personally consider alternative clean sources of energy (wind, solar, etc...) to be more supportive sources than main ones. Excellent as buttresses to main power sources, but too weak to be a main power source.

Nuclear and hydroelectric power is where the bulk of energy production is at when it comes to clean energy.

That's a very good take and one I would agree with, actually. Especially hydroelectric power which has lot of potential to grow in efficiency in the near future due to technological progress.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Yes, 3 instances where we know what went wrong and how to prevent it are good indicators of risk. How do you think we got vaccines? That first rat didn’t have a great time, you know.

You can't prevent tsunamis, earthquakes, etc. which trigger nuclear meltdowns.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

No deaths

Not yet. However, signs of cancer can be seen developing in many people who were exposed to the meltdown.

Chernobyl can be blamed on the Soviet Union.

So, can Three Mile Island be blamed on the U.S.?

Wind farms and solar farms take a massive amount of space, and windmills have their own hazards. Nuclear power gives massive amounts of energy compared to other clean sources.

You can run a city using a combination of solar power and other sources of renewable energy (without resorting to the dangers of nuclear fission).

[Proctopeo]

Yes, 3 instances where we know what went wrong and how to prevent it are good indicators of risk. How do you think we got vaccines? That first rat didn’t have a great time, you know.

You can't prevent tsunamis, earthquakes, etc. which trigger nuclear meltdowns.

You can, however, take them into account with your construction, to make a nuclear meltdown less likely when they do happen.

[The Grene Knyght]

Been considering joining a certain local political party. They're affiliated with the CWI. Does anyone know anything about their local CWI-affiliated party? These guys --> http://www.socialistworld.net/index.php/links

[Valgora]

Been considering joining a certain local political party. They're affiliated with the CWI. Does anyone know anything about their local CWI-affiliated party? These guys --> http://www.socialistworld.net/index.php/links

Socialist Alternative is the only party in the US that's affiliated with the CWI.

[The Grene Knyght]

Been considering joining a certain local political party. They're affiliated with the CWI. Does anyone know anything about their local CWI-affiliated party? These guys --> http://www.socialistworld.net/index.php/links

Socialist Alternative is the only party in the US that's affiliated with the CWI.

I am aware, yes. Do you have an opinion on them? I don't really know anything about them other than that they got someone elected in Seattle.

[Valgora]

Socialist Alternative is the only party in the US that's affiliated with the CWI.

I am aware, yes. Do you have an opinion on them? I don't really know anything about them other than that they got someone elected in Seattle.

As far as I can tell.... they are actual leftists, not just some slightly-more-left-progressive-liberals.
So... my opinion is currently positive.
However, they are Trotskyist according to Wikipedia, but I can't find proof of that on their website.

I don't know what the think about gun control - I just have to hope they are against it and want to arm the working class.

I also just found out that they do have a branch in Northwest Arkansas.

[The Grene Knyght]

I am aware, yes. Do you have an opinion on them? I don't really know anything about them other than that they got someone elected in Seattle.

As far as I can tell.... they are actual leftists, not just some slightly-more-left-progressive-liberals.
So... my opinion is currently positive.
However, they are Trotskyist according to Wikipedia, but I can't find proof of that on their website.

I don't know what the think about gun control - I just have to hope they are against it and want to arm the working class.

I also just found out that they do have a branch in Northwest Arkansas.

I know the party out where I live (just called The Socialist Party) leans heavily into Leninism and Trotskyism. Revolutionary vanguardism, democratic centralism, etc. But they seem a decent bunch and they're really the only leftist party organising out in my area. I've heard less than flattering rumours about them (taken with a grain of salt because these rumours came from a marxist-leninist), but I had joined up with a university branch of broad socialist alliance party that they're a part of and they did a lot of good work.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I am aware, yes. Do you have an opinion on them? I don't really know anything about them other than that they got someone elected in Seattle.

They are TINO (Trotskyist in name only). Essentially, they are a social democratic party which pays lip service to Trotskyism.

[The Grene Knyght]

I am aware, yes. Do you have an opinion on them? I don't really know anything about them other than that they got someone elected in Seattle.

They are TINO (Trotskyist in name only). Essentially, they are a social democratic party which pays lip service to Trotskyism.

What makes you say so?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

No deaths

Not yet. However, signs of cancer can be seen developing in many people who were exposed to the meltdown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mil ... d_accident
"Anti-nuclear movement activists expressed worries about regional health effects from the accident.[7] However, epidemiological studies analyzing the rate of cancer in and around the area since the accident, determined there was a small statistically non-significant increase in the rate and thus no causal connection linking the accident with these cancers has been substantiated.[8][9][10][11][12][13]"

Chernobyl can be blamed on the Soviet Union.

So, can Three Mile Island be blamed on the U.S.?

The aversion of complete disaster can be. Chernobyl as a complete disaster, however, can be blamed on the Soviet Union.

Wind farms and solar farms take a massive amount of space, and windmills have their own hazards. Nuclear power gives massive amounts of energy compared to other clean sources.

You can run a city using a combination of solar power and other sources of renewable energy (without resorting to the dangers of nuclear fission).

Or you can use a combination of renewable and nuclear.

[Valgora]

So, can Three Mile Island be blamed on the U.S.?

The aversion of complete disaster can be. Chernobyl as a complete disaster, however, can be blamed on the Soviet Union.

You can't blame Chernobyl on the Soviet Union.
What evidence do you have to points to the Soviet Union as being the reason for the disaster.

The disaster was caused by inherent reactor design flaws - which were fixed in other reactors of the same type after the disaster because of the disaster showing what some of the design flaws were - and the reactor operators arranging the core in a manner contrary to the checklist for the test.

You can run a city using a combination of solar power and other sources of renewable energy (without resorting to the dangers of nuclear fission).

Or you can use a combination of renewable and nuclear.

Why Thorium Rocks - Sam O'Nella Academy

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The aversion of complete disaster can be. Chernobyl as a complete disaster, however, can be blamed on the Soviet Union.

You can't blame Chernobyl on the Soviet Union.
What evidence do you have to points to the Soviet Union as being the reason for the disaster.

The disaster was caused by inherent reactor design flaws - which were fixed in other reactors of the same type after the disaster because of the disaster showing what some of the design flaws were - and the reactor operators arranging the core in a manner contrary to the checklist for the test.

Yeah, that's why you can blame the Soviet Union: for playing with a reactor which was already fucky.

[Dark Socialism]

What do you commies think about people like Georges Sorel and Nicola Bombacci?

[Valgora]

What do you commies think about people like Georges Sorel and Nicola Bombacci?

Don't know much about Georges Sorel - just read the Wikipedia about him. I guess he had some good ideas, but also some bad ones.
And from what I could tell, he was antisemitic; however, the Wikipedia doesn't have much on that, so I'm not entirely sure.

Nicola Bombacci was an open fascist after he was kicked out of the Italian Communist Party and was loyal to Mussolini and the National Fascist Party. So fuck Nicola Bombacci.

[Dumb Ideologies]

What do you commies think about people like Georges Sorel and Nicola Bombacci?

Acceptable.

[Reikoku]

What do you commies think about people like Georges Sorel and Nicola Bombacci?

Sorel was a syndicalist who's flirtations with nationalism has been misconstrued as some whole new form of syndicalism, when in reality, his involvement with Maurras and Action française never took off from the ground because of their differences. Bombacci was a mildly interesting character who was attracted to the remnants of social revolutionary tendencies in Fascism.

[Aellex]

You can't blame Chernobyl on the Soviet Union.
What evidence do you have to points to the Soviet Union as being the reason for the disaster.

The disaster was caused by inherent reactor design flaws - which were fixed in other reactors of the same type after the disaster because of the disaster showing what some of the design flaws were - and the reactor operators arranging the core in a manner contrary to the checklist for the test.

Yeah, that's why you can blame the Soviet Union: for playing with a reactor which was already fucky.

Not to mention the staff was so incompetent it's sad and the main reason shit got so bad in the first place.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Again with that word...they are hardly cultists.

I think you're setting an unnecessarily high standard for the usage of this term. 'Cult' is used to describe a group with very extreme, zealotous views who venerate a certain person. It can, and often is, used even looser than that.

Here are some examples of that found with Google:

Cult Archaeology and Unscientific Method and Theory

Is Graduate School a Cult?

Why would anyone in their right mind want to join the vegan cult?

I can only imagine that you are nitpicking out of your own veneration for Bernie.

Calling vegans, zealous archaeologists, and grad schoolers cultists is also hyperbolic and dumb.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

What do you commies think about people like Georges Sorel and Nicola Bombacci?

If you like them, they'd be good for villain material and not much else.