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Which Form of Leftism is The Best?

Left-Libertarianism
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Yes
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29%
Left-Authoritarianism
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:49 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I'm still waiting for my Koch check.

You didn't get yours yet? He stashed $50 in my bank account a week ago.


Soros pays $100 every week, you should negotiate better rates.

then again that would be against your ideals.
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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:56 am

Valrifell wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:You didn't get yours yet? He stashed $50 in my bank account a week ago.


Soros pays $100 every week, you should negotiate better rates.

then again that would be against your ideals.

I'm not an union-buster actually, long live the freedom of association as long as the public sector ain't doing this shit.

That said though, I personally prefer to do individual negotiations :P
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:14 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Soros pays $100 every week, you should negotiate better rates.

then again that would be against your ideals.

I'm not an union-buster actually, long live the freedom of association as long as the public sector ain't doing this shit.

That said though, I personally prefer to do individual negotiations :P

"I want a raise since I'm not making enough to pay rent."
"Can't do that sorry."
"No I actually NEED a raise right now."
"Still no, if that's a problem you can find another job."

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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:15 am

Genivaria wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:I'm not an union-buster actually, long live the freedom of association as long as the public sector ain't doing this shit.

That said though, I personally prefer to do individual negotiations :P

"I want a raise since I'm not making enough to pay rent."
"Can't do that sorry."
"No I actually NEED a raise right now."
"Still no, if that's a problem you can find another job."

This is why you only ask for raises during periods of low unemployment, may as well get a promotion since you won't be taking a shit at your employer every year like unions do :^)
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:24 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:"I want a raise since I'm not making enough to pay rent."
"Can't do that sorry."
"No I actually NEED a raise right now."
"Still no, if that's a problem you can find another job."

This is why you only ask for raises during periods of low unemployment, may as well get a promotion since you won't be taking a shit at your employer every year like unions do :^)

You mean the time when people keep getting sent home because "labor is too high' and my hours are cut?
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:32 am

Genivaria wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:This is why you only ask for raises during periods of low unemployment, may as well get a promotion since you won't be taking a shit at your employer every year like unions do :^)

You mean the time when people keep getting sent home because "labor is too high' and my hours are cut?

TIL whenever unemployment hits a low level it automatically goes up insanely despite the condition being of low unemployment :roll:
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:39 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You mean the time when people keep getting sent home because "labor is too high' and my hours are cut?

TIL whenever unemployment hits a low level it automatically goes up insanely despite the condition being of low unemployment :roll:

I have no idea what you're talking about now.

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:45 am

Genivaria wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:TIL whenever unemployment hits a low level it automatically goes up insanely despite the condition being of low unemployment :roll:

I have no idea what you're talking about now.

Low unemployment doesn't generate high unemployment ("people keep getting sent home") per se.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:48 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I have no idea what you're talking about now.

Low unemployment doesn't generate high unemployment ("people keep getting sent home") per se.

I said nothing about high unemployment I said labor was too high.
Which means there were too many employees being paid compared to the profit being made.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:24 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I have no idea what you're talking about now.

Low unemployment doesn't generate high unemployment ("people keep getting sent home") per se.
I think you mean high underemployment.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:49 am

Genivaria wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Low unemployment doesn't generate high unemployment ("people keep getting sent home") per se.

I said nothing about high unemployment I said labor was too high.
Which means there were too many employees being paid compared to the profit being made.


You could have no unemployment if money wasn't a factor, bee tee dubs.
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The Empire of Pretantia
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:57 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:He uses that money to invest in ventures and donate to charities. That's hardly just sitting around watching a number grow; that's an active effort.


He could easily be doing so much more with it, though. To the point that while his absolute numbers are impressive it's practically little more than a token effort for him.

Okay but that's a different statement from claiming he's not doing anything.
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Postby Frievolk » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:19 am

Torrocca wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I said nothing about high unemployment I said labor was too high.
Which means there were too many employees being paid compared to the profit being made.


You could have no unemployment if money wasn't a factor, bee tee dubs.
I mean, if we're thinking honestly, that's true.
Because you wouldn't have employment as a concept if money wasn't a factor. (And no. "I'll pay you [this] in exchange for your labor" is still money in this concept if that [this] wasn't currency)
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Postby Fahran » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:21 am

Valrifell wrote:He could easily be doing so much more with it, though. To the point that while his absolute numbers are impressive it's practically little more than a token effort for him.

Isn't that true of most people though? I mean, you and I are probably living better than about five billion other people at the moment given the relative affluence of our society/societies. I'm inclined to wonder what model of ethics you're employing to dictate to other people how much and what sort of service they should render unto society and humanity.

Frievolk wrote:I mean, if we're thinking honestly, that's true.
Because you wouldn't have employment as a concept if money wasn't a factor. (And no. "I'll pay you [this] in exchange for your labor" is still money in this concept if that [this] wasn't currency)

A piece of paper holds its value better than a head of grain or a haunch of meat.
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Postby The Batorys » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:40 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:On the subject of right-wing trolls coming into the LWDT from earlier, I actually rarely post or lurk on RWDT but I post on LWDT a lot, despite being right-leaning on the whole.

Why?
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Postby The Batorys » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:41 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
The Batorys wrote:The lumpenproletariat is literally the dregs of society, the worst of the worst, such as criminals. You can't spread unionization to such a segment of society:


That was Marx's perspective, yes. IMO, it was not one of his better moments. However, I am more sympathetic to Fanon's approach. I don't think that anyone is beyond the possibility of emancipation.

I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth.
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Postby The Batorys » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:43 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:This is why you only ask for raises during periods of low unemployment, may as well get a promotion since you won't be taking a shit at your employer every year like unions do :^)

You mean the time when people keep getting sent home because "labor is too high' and my hours are cut?

Lol. Unfortunately rent does not always get raised during periods of low unemployment. I don't decide when my rent goes up.
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Postby The Batorys » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:45 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
You could have no unemployment if money wasn't a factor, bee tee dubs.
I mean, if we're thinking honestly, that's true.
Because you wouldn't have employment as a concept if money wasn't a factor. (And no. "I'll pay you [this] in exchange for your labor" is still money in this concept if that [this] wasn't currency)

All work is prostitution, in essence.
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Postby Loben » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:52 pm

No.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:14 pm

The Batorys wrote:
Frievolk wrote:I mean, if we're thinking honestly, that's true.
Because you wouldn't have employment as a concept if money wasn't a factor. (And no. "I'll pay you [this] in exchange for your labor" is still money in this concept if that [this] wasn't currency)

All work is prostitution, in essence.

How? That's like saying all work is in retail or all work is construction.
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Postby The Batorys » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:16 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Batorys wrote:All work is prostitution, in essence.

How? That's like saying all work is in retail or all work is construction.

People often deride sex workers by saying "they sell their bodies."

All labor is selling your body.
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Postby Loben » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:38 pm

The Batorys wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:How? That's like saying all work is in retail or all work is construction.

People often deride sex workers by saying "they sell their bodies."

All labor is selling your body.


thats.....fucking stupid.

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Postby Kubra » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:33 pm

Loben wrote:
The Batorys wrote:People often deride sex workers by saying "they sell their bodies."

All labor is selling your body.


thats.....fucking stupid.
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Postby Loben » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:43 pm

Kubra wrote:
Loben wrote:
thats.....fucking stupid.
riveting counter, professor. No logician can match something so airtight.


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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:43 pm

Loben wrote:
The Batorys wrote:People often deride sex workers by saying "they sell their bodies."

All labor is selling your body.


thats.....fucking stupid.

It's really not.
Prostitution is no more 'selling your body' than waiting tables is.

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