LWDT VI: Kropotkin's Bread Dead Redemption.

[Conserative Morality]

Which is why limiting government is the responsibility of the rest of us.

Limiting government is just weakening government, and a weak government is susceptible to the demands of strong corporations.

[Orostan]

What about supporting private property and production for exchange is not capitalist?

Ever heard of corporatism? It's a popular idea among fascists, but we capitalists shall stick with our free markets, thank you very much.

What about that is not capitalist?

Also, free markets do not exist. The only really free market is a market with perfect competition, which doesn't exist and will never exist.

Will you? Seems every time the issue of corporatism actually comes up in a country companies and capitalists are quick to embrace it and suck on that government teat. Who needs free markets when you have corporate handouts and police help in crushing strikers and quitters?

Which is why limiting government is the responsibility of the rest of us.

I, for one, prefer a functioning government.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Which is why limiting government is the responsibility of the rest of us.

Limiting government is just weakening government, and a weak government is susceptible to the demands of strong corporations.

Weakining government is good.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Ever heard of corporatism? It's a popular idea among fascists, but we capitalists shall stick with our free markets, thank you very much.

What about that is not capitalist?

Also, free markets do not exist. The only really free market is a market with perfect competition, which doesn't exist and will never exist.

Which is why limiting government is the responsibility of the rest of us.

I, for one, prefer a functioning government.

Dude, most people who vocally support capitalism support free market capitalism, not corporatism. Corporatism technically still is capitalism, but it's not the kind we want. And no, "you can't support a free market because a market isn't free unless it's perfect" doesn't cut it.

If by "functioning" you mean corrupt, unaccountable and authoritarian, sure.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I personally believe that ideologies of all kind should also be added to the "religious groups" clause, to be honest. Mass murder of certain ideologies shouldn't be seen any different as mass murder of certain religions.

Nazism is literally an ideology based around committing genocide. Killing all Nazis is more like killing all serial killers than anything else. (Not that I support either. I think serial killers and Nazis should all be sent to jail instead.)

On what charge should Nazis be sent to jail?

[Dark Socialism]

Nazism is literally an ideology based around committing genocide. Killing all Nazis is more like killing all serial killers than anything else. (Not that I support either. I think serial killers and Nazis should all be sent to jail instead.)

On what charge should Nazis be sent to jail?

Nazis and fascists are basically serial killers

[Conserative Morality]

Limiting government is just weakening government, and a weak government is susceptible to the demands of strong corporations.

Weakining government is good.

Because it makes a government susceptible to the demands of strong corporations?

[Torrocca]

Limiting government is just weakening government, and a weak government is susceptible to the demands of strong corporations.

Weakining government is good.

>Weaken the government without touching the Capitalist elements to eradicate them too
>Reactionaries and revolutionaries garner more support because all but a very few of society end up getting increasingly fucked over
>Revolution happens within
>Either the reactionaries or the revolutionaries win out
>Either way, a hyper-strong, centralized, authoritarian state crops up outta the remains of the initial bloodshed except in a seldom few examples
>Tyranny reigns supreme because literally nobody could've seen that happening whatsoever despite numerous historical examples of exactly that happening in literally any hierarchically-structured society with a capitalist/capitalist-like economy that had an increasingly weak government ever
>MFW

[Northern Davincia]

Weakining government is good.

>Weaken the government without touching the Capitalist elements to eradicate them too
>Reactionaries and revolutionaries garner more support because all but a very few of society end up getting increasingly fucked over
>Revolution happens within
>Either the reactionaries or the revolutionaries win out
>Either way, a hyper-strong, centralized, authoritarian state crops up outta the remains of the initial bloodshed except in a seldom few examples
>Tyranny reigns supreme because literally nobody could've seen that happening whatsoever despite numerous historical examples of exactly that happening in literally any hierarchically-structured society with a capitalist/capitalist-like economy that had an increasingly weak government ever
>MFW

>tfw this has never happened or will happen

[Valrifell]

>Weaken the government without touching the Capitalist elements to eradicate them too
>Reactionaries and revolutionaries garner more support because all but a very few of society end up getting increasingly fucked over
>Revolution happens within
>Either the reactionaries or the revolutionaries win out
>Either way, a hyper-strong, centralized, authoritarian state crops up outta the remains of the initial bloodshed except in a seldom few examples
>Tyranny reigns supreme because literally nobody could've seen that happening whatsoever despite numerous historical examples of exactly that happening in literally any hierarchically-structured society with a capitalist/capitalist-like economy that had an increasingly weak government ever
>MFW

>tfw this has never happened or will happen

What are you doing with South America, that broom, and that rug?

[Torrocca]

>Weaken the government without touching the Capitalist elements to eradicate them too
>Reactionaries and revolutionaries garner more support because all but a very few of society end up getting increasingly fucked over
>Revolution happens within
>Either the reactionaries or the revolutionaries win out
>Either way, a hyper-strong, centralized, authoritarian state crops up outta the remains of the initial bloodshed except in a seldom few examples
>Tyranny reigns supreme because literally nobody could've seen that happening whatsoever despite numerous historical examples of exactly that happening in literally any hierarchically-structured society with a capitalist/capitalist-like economy that had an increasingly weak government ever
>MFW

>tfw this has never happened or will happen

Hmm, let's see...

Russia (Nicholas II's regime became increasingly weak under his reign whilst maintaining a quasi-state of feudalism, led to Bolshevik and eventually Stalinist rule), the Weimar Republic (a weak, insecure, liberal democracy born out of the destruction of an empire, led to the Nazis), France (the revolutions against feudalism to bring about liberalism eventually led to Napoleon, whose wars and reign killed millions), Spain (destabilizing conditions from the ousting of the monarchy alone led to Franco's regime which historically killed hundreds of thousands and maintained an oppressive regime until his dying days), etc.

[Proctopeo]

On what charge should Nazis be sent to jail?

Nazis and fascists are basically serial killers

They haven't got Cap'n Crunch yet so all is well

[Kowani]

>tfw this has never happened or will happen

Hmm, let's see...

Russia (Nicholas II's regime became increasingly weak under his reign whilst maintaining a quasi-state of feudalism, led to Bolshevik and eventually Stalinist rule), the Weimar Republic (a weak, insecure, liberal democracy born out of the destruction of an empire, led to the Nazis), France (the revolutions against feudalism to bring about liberalism eventually led to Napoleon, whose wars and reign killed millions), Spain (destabilizing conditions from the ousting of the monarchy alone led to Franco's regime which historically killed hundreds of thousands and maintained an oppressive regime until his dying days), etc.

I love that Spanish example though. It’s almost as if you ignored Primo De Rivera’s dictatorship, the dictablanda (It’s a play on words, not really sure how to translate it. A weak dictatorship, of you will), and the incompetence of everyone who followed Azaña during the Second Republic. Also, the radicalization of Spain after your beloved anarchists rebelled in Asturias as well as the Massacre of Cádiz did more than the monarchy’s exile ever could.)

[Northern Davincia]

>tfw this has never happened or will happen

What are you doing with South America, that broom, and that rug?

N-nothing...

>tfw this has never happened or will happen

Hmm, let's see...

Russia (Nicholas II's regime became increasingly weak under his reign whilst maintaining a quasi-state of feudalism, led to Bolshevik and eventually Stalinist rule), the Weimar Republic (a weak, insecure, liberal democracy born out of the destruction of an empire, led to the Nazis), France (the revolutions against feudalism to bring about liberalism eventually led to Napoleon, whose wars and reign killed millions), Spain (destabilizing conditions from the ousting of the monarchy alone led to Franco's regime which historically killed hundreds of thousands and maintained an oppressive regime until his dying days), etc.

1. Key word is quasi-feudalism.
2. The Weimar Republic forgot the virtues of not inflating your economy to death.
3. French revolutionaries weren't uprooting capitalism.
4. Monarchies aren't exactly the limited governments that capitalists desire, be it in Spain or elsewhere.

[Orostan]

What about that is not capitalist?

Also, free markets do not exist. The only really free market is a market with perfect competition, which doesn't exist and will never exist.


I, for one, prefer a functioning government.

Dude, most people who vocally support capitalism support free market capitalism, not corporatism. Corporatism technically still is capitalism, but it's not the kind we want. And no, "you can't support a free market because a market isn't free unless it's perfect" doesn't cut it.

If by "functioning" you mean corrupt, unaccountable and authoritarian, sure.

How is corporatism, or the equivalent of that, not the natural outcome of a ‘small’ government capitalist state?

And why does increasing the size of the DMV necessitate dictatorship?

Nazism is literally an ideology based around committing genocide. Killing all Nazis is more like killing all serial killers than anything else. (Not that I support either. I think serial killers and Nazis should all be sent to jail instead.)

On what charge should Nazis be sent to jail?

They want to kill millions of people, for one. They’re also footsoldiers of the bourgeois.

[Torrocca]

Hmm, let's see...

Russia (Nicholas II's regime became increasingly weak under his reign whilst maintaining a quasi-state of feudalism, led to Bolshevik and eventually Stalinist rule), the Weimar Republic (a weak, insecure, liberal democracy born out of the destruction of an empire, led to the Nazis), France (the revolutions against feudalism to bring about liberalism eventually led to Napoleon, whose wars and reign killed millions), Spain (destabilizing conditions from the ousting of the monarchy alone led to Franco's regime which historically killed hundreds of thousands and maintained an oppressive regime until his dying days), etc.

I love that Spanish example though. It’s almost as if you ignored Primo De Rivera’s dictatorship, the dictablanda (It’s a play on words, not really sure how to translate it. A weak dictatorship, of you will),

I mean, of course a weak dictatorship ordained by the king that left Spain in financial ruin would've led to the first revolution that ousted said king.

Also, the radicalization of Spain after your beloved anarchists rebelled in Asturias as well as the Massacre of Cádiz did more than the monarchy’s exile ever could.)

Yes, wanton massacres of working-class leftists generally causes more radicalization among their initial supporters and those once on the fence of the issues they were protesting/rebelling against, as history shows.

[Proctopeo]

Also, the radicalization of Spain after your beloved anarchists rebelled in Asturias as well as the Massacre of Cádiz did more than the monarchy’s exile ever could.)

Yes, wanton massacres of working-class leftists generally causes more radicalization among their initial supporters and those once on the fence of the issues they were protesting/rebelling against, as history shows.

The Casas Viejas incident wasn't a wanton massacre. While still a massacre, and still a deliberate one, it was not unprovoked. I would consider it overkill, however.

[Torrocca]

Yes, wanton massacres of working-class leftists generally causes more radicalization among their initial supporters and those once on the fence of the issues they were protesting/rebelling against, as history shows.

The Casas Viejas incident wasn't a wanton massacre. While still a massacre, and still a deliberate one, it was not unprovoked. I would consider it overkill, however.

Setting a house alight with entire families inside because some people resisted arrest, thus killing all but two people, is pretty much a wanton, unprovoked massacre no matter how you spin it.

[Proctopeo]

The Casas Viejas incident wasn't a wanton massacre. While still a massacre, and still a deliberate one, it was not unprovoked. I would consider it overkill, however.

Setting a house alight with entire families inside because some people resisted arrest, thus killing all but two people, is pretty much a wanton, unprovoked massacre no matter how you spin it.

Sounds provoked to me. Doesn't justify it, of course; as I said, it was overkill.

[Torrocca]

Setting a house alight with entire families inside because some people resisted arrest, thus killing all but two people, is pretty much a wanton, unprovoked massacre no matter how you spin it.

Sounds provoked to me. Doesn't justify it, of course; as I said, it was overkill.

>TFW resisting arrest is provocative of mass-murder

Wait a minute this reminds me of some place halfway across the world from Spain... hmmm...

[Proctopeo]

Sounds provoked to me. Doesn't justify it, of course; as I said, it was overkill.

>TFW resisting arrest is provocative of mass-murder

Wait a minute this reminds me of some place halfway across the world from Spain... hmmm...

The reason for arrest matters. It's not like they were petty thieves. So yes, it is provocative, although not a justification, by a long shot.
Granted, their options were limited in that scenario; a full-scale raid of the building, or simply starving them out, would have also gotten the job done, likely with fewer casualties.

[Cekoviu]

On what charge should Nazis be sent to jail?

Nazis and fascists are basically serial killers

actual fascist, 2018 (colorized)

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Limiting government is just weakening government, and a weak government is susceptible to the demands of strong corporations.

Sadly, that is what some people want.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Nazis and fascists are basically serial killers

I am antifa, and I would not go that far. Your statement literally makes no sense.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

They want to kill millions of people, for one. They’re also footsoldiers of the bourgeois.

I have no problem with monitoring nazi activities, indeed I would support it, but sending them all to jail takes it too far.