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by The Multiversal Communist Collective » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:46 am
Cekoviu wrote:look man, it's just part of my job as a professional shade thrower
by Dumb Ideologies » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:58 am
Cekoviu wrote:The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
The problem with Baʻathism (Arabic, بَعْثِيَّة [MP3 pronunciation], Baʿ°aṯiyyaẗ, “Awakening”) is that it is secular. Although there is increasing secularization in the Arab world, Baʻathism started well before that time.
jesus, you're adding mp3s now?
by Nekokuni » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:18 pm
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:The problem with Baʻathism (Arabic, بَعْثِيَّة [MP3 pronunciation], Baʿ°aṯiyyaẗ, “Awakening”) is that it is secular.
by Cekoviu » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:20 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Cekoviu wrote:jesus, you're adding mp3s now?
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by Proctopeo » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:23 pm
Nekokuni wrote:The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:The problem with Baʻathism (Arabic, بَعْثِيَّة [MP3 pronunciation], Baʿ°aṯiyyaẗ, “Awakening”) is that it is secular.
Huh, how is that a bad thing? I thought that a Communist would be strongly supportive of secularism.
by Paleocon States of America » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:10 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Nekokuni wrote:
Huh, how is that a bad thing? I thought that a Communist would be strongly supportive of secularism.
It's hard to tell, but I think he's saying that it being secular is a bad thing for the decidedly anti-secular Arab world, meaning its potential for traction is limited.
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by Bienenhalde » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:23 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Nekokuni wrote:
Huh, how is that a bad thing? I thought that a Communist would be strongly supportive of secularism.
It's hard to tell, but I think he's saying that it being secular is a bad thing for the decidedly anti-secular Arab world, meaning its potential for traction is limited.
by The Multiversal Communist Collective » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:26 pm
Nekokuni wrote:Huh, how is that a bad thing? I thought that a Communist would be strongly supportive of secularism.
by The Multiversal Communist Collective » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:28 pm
Paleocon States of America wrote:Am I the only person here to enter RWDT and come out with the view that Syrian Christians should win the civil war and unironically start a crusade across the Arab World and into Israel?
by Paleocon States of America » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:34 pm
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:Paleocon States of America wrote:Am I the only person here to enter RWDT and come out with the view that Syrian Christians should win the civil war and unironically start a crusade across the Arab World and into Israel?
So, you are providing a proposal for starting World War III?
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by Threlizdun » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:37 pm
Secularism actually used to hold decent popularity in the Arab world. Islamism as an ideology large grew out of the vacuum created after most civic nationalist, Arab nationalist, secular liberal, and socialist ideologies were rather aggressively squashed by foreign powers who saw their opposition to the domination of the economy and politics of these countries by European or later American and Soviet powers as dangerous to their maintenance of strategic control over the region. Just look at the secular Pharaonist movement in Egypt that rose to prominence in 1920's and 30's prior to the rise of Arab nationalism and Islamism as major forces in Egyptian politics.The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:Nekokuni wrote:Huh, how is that a bad thing? I thought that a Communist would be strongly supportive of secularism.
I wasn't saying that Baʻathism is bad. I was explaining why Baʻathism did not become popular in the Arabic world.
As to my personal views, my feelings about Baʻathism are mixed. I like the secularism, but I also regard Baʻathism as third positionist. I despise third positionism.
by Nekokuni » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:46 pm
by The Multiversal Communist Collective » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:49 pm
Paleocon States of America wrote:No, Russia supports the Christians and America doesn't really like the Arab world.
We may take offense at the whole "into Israel" thing though.
by Democratic Communist Federation » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:21 pm
Threlizdun wrote:Secularism actually used to hold decent popularity in the Arab world. Islamism as an ideology large grew out of the vacuum created after most civic nationalist, Arab nationalist, secular liberal, and socialist ideologies were rather aggressively squashed by foreign powers who saw their opposition to the domination of the economy and politics of these countries by European or later American and Soviet powers as dangerous to their maintenance of strategic control over the region. Just look at the secular Pharaonist movement in Egypt that rose to prominence in 1920's and 30's prior to the rise of Arab nationalism and Islamism as major forces in Egyptian politics.
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by Bakery Hill » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:16 pm
Paleocon States of America wrote:Proctopeo wrote:It's hard to tell, but I think he's saying that it being secular is a bad thing for the decidedly anti-secular Arab world, meaning its potential for traction is limited.
Am I the only person here to enter RWDT and come out with the view that Syrian Christians should win the civil war and unironically start a crusade across the Arab World and into Israel?
by Proctopeo » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:48 pm
Albrenia wrote:The last thing the middle east needs is yet another big religious conflict. Place is already awash in violence as is.
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:46 pm
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:Paleocon States of America wrote:No, Russia supports the Christians and America doesn't really like the Arab world.
We may take offense at the whole "into Israel" thing though.
The scenario you provided would likely start World War III.
You mentioned, in your posting, the right-wing discussion thread. Bear in mind that you are posting in the left-wing discussion thread where communists, like me, will not have much sympathy for imperialism.
by Democratic Communist Federation » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:31 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:That's how insane our power is. We can up and decide no individuals of a particular variety will exist in the countryside of the middle east and get maybe a passing grade. (Though it does mean perpetual low-level war.)
De-Islamification of the middle east might be more desirable and practical than christianization.
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by Northern Davincia » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:20 pm
Nekokuni wrote:Pharaonism sounds really interesting. Although I was hoping they were an ideology that wanted to bring back Ra worship and the Pharaohs.
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by Dark Socialism » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:21 pm
Nekokuni wrote:Pharaonism sounds really interesting. Although I was hoping they were an ideology that wanted to bring back Ra worship and the Pharaohs.
by Silver Commonwealth » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:28 pm
Nekokuni wrote:Pharaonism sounds really interesting. Although I was hoping they were an ideology that wanted to bring back Ra worship and the Pharaohs.
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by Second Empire of America » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:45 pm
by Second Empire of America » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:00 pm
Greate Boston wrote:Violence is the mainstream way of organizing societies though. Violence is required for a hierarchy to be established, and later maintained (and historically, has always been used as well)Ostroeuropa wrote:
Anarchism is as unnatural a means to organize society as violence.
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by Greate Boston » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:05 pm
A vertical hierarchy can't be formed without violence in the first place. You can't "make" people accept your supremacy over them without the threat of violence. (and vertical hierarchy is inevitably about dominance and supremacy)Second Empire of America wrote:Greate Boston wrote:Violence is the mainstream way of organizing societies though. Violence is required for a hierarchy to be established, and later maintained (and historically, has always been used as well)
Hierarchies can definitely be formed without violence, but they need violence to grow beyond the people who decided to sign up to join the hierarchy in question. If violence was removed from the equation, you'd still see a lot of small-scale hierarchies, but there would be very few large-scale hierarchies like states and corporations.
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