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Which Form of Leftism is The Best?

Left-Libertarianism
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Left-Authoritarianism
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:26 pm

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Torrocca wrote:I don't have any intention of talking about the merits of right-wing thought, just as a heads-up.


There are no merits of right-wing thought.


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Postby Senator Huey Long » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:26 pm

Torrocca wrote:Social Democrats are on the left-wing side of things, which is inherently non-centrist. :^)

I'm not sure which fantasy world you're in, but down here center-left and center-right are real political stances. Social democrats support moderate change for the better, but don't seek to destroy the capitalist democracies they inhabit. How is that not centrist?
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Postby Valgora » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:27 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
There are no merits of right-wing thought.


And I'm sure you block anyone who tries to convince you otherwise, just to be sure.


I was certain he had blocked me.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:27 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:I guess if you support a massive change in society, any smaller changes seem very small, if anything at all.


As a libertarian Marxist (a Luxemburgist), I am, by definition, a revolutionary.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:27 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:I disagree. I think fence-sitting is an apt term for centrism. Then again, I am a self-described left extremist.

I guess if you support a massive change in society, any smaller changes seem very small, if anything at all.


So, I'm going to make a big assumption that you play the Kaiserreich mod for HOI4?
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:28 pm

Valgora wrote:
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The new R A I N B O W coloring I've added to this thread has definitely made it a much more wholesome community :3


It made it more fabulous, but not wholesome.
This thread is not conductive to promoting moral well-being. But morals are just spooks anyways.


Just gimme time to enact the Glorious Revolutionary Plan, tovarisch. >:3

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Torrocca wrote:Social Democrats are on the left-wing side of things, which is inherently non-centrist. :^)

I'm not sure which fantasy world you're in, but down here center-left and center-right are real political stances. Social democrats support moderate change for the better, but don't seek to destroy the capitalist democracies they inhabit. How is that not centrist?


They're still on the left-wing of things.

Furthermore, Capitalism must be destroyed.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:28 pm

Valgora wrote:This thread is not conductive to promoting moral well-being. But morals are just spooks anyways.


Moral well-being is achieved through the true freedom of communism.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:28 pm

Valgora wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
And I'm sure you block anyone who tries to convince you otherwise, just to be sure.


I was certain he had blocked me.


I think they're a she, and they most definitely blocked me, so she says.
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Postby Senator Huey Long » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:29 pm

Salus Maior wrote:So, I'm going to make a big assumption that you play the Kaiserreich mod for HOI4?

I have played it, and I don't like it much.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:31 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:I'm not sure which fantasy world you're in, but down here center-left and center-right are real political stances. Social democrats support moderate change for the better, but don't seek to destroy the capitalist democracies they inhabit. How is that not centrist?


Personally, I would call modern social democracy left centrism. It is still centrism.

I have no idea what right centrism would be, but that probably says more about me than anything else.
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Postby Senator Huey Long » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:31 pm

Torrocca wrote:They're still on the left-wing of things.

Furthermore, Capitalism must be destroyed.

Uh-huh, that doesn't disqualify them from being centrism.

That's beside the point. Social democrats don't want to destroy capitalism, they want to reform it, which is a typically centrist stance.
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Postby Valgora » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:31 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
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I was certain he had blocked me.


I think they're a she, and they most definitely blocked me, so she says.


It's a he.

Er ist professor. Nicht professorin.
Er heißt Mark.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:31 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:
Torrocca wrote:They're still on the left-wing of things.

Furthermore, Capitalism must be destroyed.

Uh-huh, that doesn't disqualify them from being centrism.

That's beside the point. Social democrats don't want to destroy capitalism, they want to reform it, which is a typically centrist stance.


Sure.

It's also a wrong stance.
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Postby Valgora » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:32 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:
Torrocca wrote:They're still on the left-wing of things.

Furthermore, Capitalism must be destroyed.

Uh-huh, that doesn't disqualify them from being centrism.

That's beside the point. Social democrats don't want to destroy capitalism, they want to reform it, which is a typically centrist stance.


I remember when Social Democrats were actual socialists who wanted to get rid of Capitalism.

Actually, I don't remember. I wasn't alive then.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:32 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:So, I'm going to make a big assumption that you play the Kaiserreich mod for HOI4?

I have played it, and I don't like it much.


Is that where you heard about Huey Long from?

Cause that's where most people hear of him.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:34 pm

Valgora wrote:I remember when Social Democrats were actual socialists who wanted to get rid of Capitalism.

Actually, I don't remember. I wasn't alive then.


Yeah, that was about 100 years ago.
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Postby Senator Huey Long » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:36 pm

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Is that where you heard about Huey Long from?

Cause that's where most people hear of him.

No, that's why I didn't like it. I disliked how it represented Huey (aside from other things).
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:40 pm

Valgora wrote:Er ist professor. Nicht professorin.
Er heißt Mark.


Mark (me) has been a professor of sociology at a Kansas college in suburban Kansas City for over 25 years.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:01 pm

Valgora wrote:
Senator Huey Long wrote:Uh-huh, that doesn't disqualify them from being centrism.

That's beside the point. Social democrats don't want to destroy capitalism, they want to reform it, which is a typically centrist stance.


I remember when Social Democrats were actual socialists who wanted to get rid of Capitalism.

Actually, I don't remember. I wasn't alive then.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:13 pm

Torrocca wrote:
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Why not just ignore them? Maybe they will go away? Perhaps not. Anyway, this is the left-wing discussion thread, not the right-wing discussion thread.


I don't have any intention of talking about the merits of right-wing thought, just as a heads-up.

You only refuse to discuss the merits of right-wing thought as you fear the truth.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:20 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I don't have any intention of talking about the merits of right-wing thought, just as a heads-up.

You only refuse to discuss the merits of right-wing thought as you fear the truth.


Ain't no truth to right-wing thought 'cept that it's bullshit. ;)
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:25 pm

Kubra wrote:it's funny because the point of the social democrat label was so people could call themselves Marxists without getting arrested.


Rosa Luxemburg worked hard to keep social democracy as a term for communism. (Partly, it was an aspect of her continuing battle with Eduard Bernstein.) Ultimately, she was, of course, unsuccessful.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:26 pm

Torrocca wrote:Ain't no truth to right-wing thought 'cept that it's bullshit. ;)


Yes, it's an oxymoron.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:30 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:You only refuse to discuss the merits of right-wing thought as you fear the truth.


Ain't no truth to right-wing thought 'cept that it's bullshit. ;)


More like wrong-wing amirite? :p

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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:30 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Ain't no truth to right-wing thought 'cept that it's bullshit. ;)


More like wrong-wing amirite? :p


So much for, "doing the Right thing," as they suggest! SAD!
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