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Which Form of Leftism is The Best?

Left-Libertarianism
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Yes
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Left-Authoritarianism
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:02 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I might run another poll in the next few days after this one in regards to right-wing politics since they're semi-relevant to leftist politics.


Why not just ignore them? Maybe they will go away? Perhaps not. Anyway, this is the left-wing discussion thread, not the right-wing discussion thread.


I don't have any intention of talking about the merits of right-wing thought, just as a heads-up.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:04 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Well, fortunately right-wing positions were not included. As far as I am concerned, good riddance.

I, too, support getting rid of the right wing wreckers.

Well, that's our guy.
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Postby Senator Huey Long » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:05 pm

It's tough being a centrist. The far-left hates you, the liberal left hates you, the serious right-wing hates you and the memetic right-wing is absolute cancer.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:07 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:It's tough being a centrist. The far-left hates you, the liberal left hates you, the serious right-wing hates you and the memetic right-wing is absolute cancer.


Because we know that sitting on the fence to create a facade of a moral high-ground is stupid :^)
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:08 pm

Torrocca wrote:I don't have any intention of talking about the merits of right-wing thought, just as a heads-up.


Evil can't withstand being ignored. Anyway, you are the OP of the thread, not me.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:08 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:It's tough being a centrist. The far-left hates you, the liberal left hates you, the serious right-wing hates you and the memetic right-wing is absolute cancer.

How is it tougher than anything else? Everyone hates everyone.
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Postby Senator Huey Long » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:10 pm

Torrocca wrote:Because we know that sitting on the fence to create a facade of a moral high-ground is stupid :^)

Uh-huh. Being a centrist doesn't mean you're a filthy fence-sitter, it just means you don't tend towards the extremes of the left and the right. I know it's hard to understand, but sometimes solutions can be found without resorting to the extremes of socialism or fascism.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:10 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:It's tough being a centrist. The far-left hates you, the liberal left hates you, the serious right-wing hates you and the memetic right-wing is absolute cancer.


Tariq Ali also has some choice words for centrists in this book.
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Postby Senator Huey Long » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:11 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:How is it tougher than anything else? Everyone hates everyone.

That's easy. Centrists rarely have the same tight-knit communities that other groups on the spectrum have.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:11 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Because we know that sitting on the fence to create a facade of a moral high-ground is stupid :^)

Uh-huh. Being a centrist doesn't mean you're a filthy fence-sitter, it just means you don't tend towards the extremes of the left and the right. I know it's hard to understand, but sometimes solutions can be found without resorting to the extremes of socialism or fascism.


As we all know, the enlightened solution between the moral conundrum of gassing all the Jews and gassing none of the Jews is to let the Nazis gas half the Jews. *nod*
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Postby Senator Huey Long » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:12 pm

Torrocca wrote:As we all know, the enlightened solution between the moral conundrum of gassing all the Jews and gassing none of the Jews is to let the Nazis gas half the Jews. *nod*

Didn't realize you were a country yokel, building that big of a strawman.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:15 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:
Torrocca wrote:As we all know, the enlightened solution between the moral conundrum of gassing all the Jews and gassing none of the Jews is to let the Nazis gas half the Jews. *nod*

Didn't realize you were a country yokel, building that big of a strawman.


Nah, I just hate the status-quo peddling. :^)
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:17 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:It's tough being a centrist. The far-left hates you, the liberal left hates you, the serious right-wing hates you and the memetic right-wing is absolute cancer.


Eh, I'm kind of centrist.

Well, sliding more right but I'm good with centrists.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:18 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:How is it tougher than anything else? Everyone hates everyone.

That's easy. Centrists rarely have the same tight-knit communities that other groups on the spectrum have.

Who needs a community based on political ideology though.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:19 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:Who needs a community based on political ideology though.


What is: this thread?
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:20 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:Uh-huh. Being a centrist doesn't mean you're a filthy fence-sitter, it just means you don't tend towards the extremes of the left and the right. I know it's hard to understand, but sometimes solutions can be found without resorting to the extremes of socialism or fascism.


I disagree. I think fence-sitting is an apt term for centrism. Then again, I am a self-described left extremist.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:21 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Who needs a community based on political ideology though.


What is: this thread?


A nice, wholesome, fabulous community :3
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Postby Valgora » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:22 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
What is: this thread?


A nice, wholesome, fabulous community :3


"Wholesome"
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Postby Senator Huey Long » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:23 pm

Torrocca wrote:Nah, I just hate the status-quo peddling. :^)

Yeah, I can already imagine it. Chewing a fine corn pipe, stuffing that strawman fit to burst.

While it's true that centrists don't want to destroy the system and replace it with socialism or fascism, that doesn't mean centrists are just sitting on their asses and doing nothing. Social democrats are centrists, but they tend to push forward policies that help the working man and encourage equality without tearing things down.
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Valgora wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
A nice, wholesome, fabulous community :3


"Wholesome"


The new R A I N B O W coloring I've added to this thread has definitely made it a much more wholesome community :3
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:24 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Nah, I just hate the status-quo peddling. :^)

Yeah, I can already imagine it. Chewing a fine corn pipe, stuffing that strawman fit to burst.

While it's true that centrists don't want to destroy the system and replace it with socialism or fascism, that doesn't mean centrists are just sitting on their asses and doing nothing. Social democrats are centrists, but they tend to push forward policies that help the working man and encourage equality without tearing things down.


Social Democrats are on the left-wing side of things, which is inherently non-centrist. :^)
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Postby Senator Huey Long » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:24 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:I disagree. I think fence-sitting is an apt term for centrism. Then again, I am a self-described left extremist.

I guess if you support a massive change in society, any smaller changes seem very small, if anything at all.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:25 pm

Torrocca wrote:I don't have any intention of talking about the merits of right-wing thought, just as a heads-up.


There are no merits of right-wing thought.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:26 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I don't have any intention of talking about the merits of right-wing thought, just as a heads-up.


There are no merits of right-wing thought.


And I'm sure you block anyone who tries to convince you otherwise, just to be sure.
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Postby Valgora » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:26 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Valgora wrote:
"Wholesome"


The new R A I N B O W coloring I've added to this thread has definitely made it a much more wholesome community :3


It made it more fabulous, but not wholesome.
This thread is not conductive to promoting moral well-being. But morals are just spooks anyways.
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