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Should students have to pay to play a sport at school?

Yes.
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No.
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Sports are for losers and they should be banned entirely.
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Postby Skyhooked » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:15 pm

Greed in it's glory. Tutition fees no longer satisfy those guys, so now they invented sports fee to squeeze more money outta students and their parents. What's next? Ya' gotta pay additional fee to study "advanced" subjects like chemistry or biology?
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Postby Geneviev » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:16 pm

Skyhooked wrote:Greed in it's glory. Tutition fees no longer satisfy those guys, so now they invented sports fee to squeeze more money outta students. What's next? Ya' gotta pay additional fee to study "advanced" subjects like chemistry or biology?

Don't give them the idea. I already have to pay for AP exams. If we have to pay for each advanced class I'll have to leave those classes.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:18 pm

Skyhooked wrote:Greed in it's glory. Tutition fees no longer satisfy those guys, so now they invented sports fee to squeeze more money outta students. What's next? Ya' gotta pay additional fee to study "advanced" subjects like chemistry or biology?

This is about public middle and high schools, not private schools and colleges.
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Postby Albrenia » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:19 pm

I'm a huge lefty so I think education should be free since it's hard to have a fair go at making one's life without a decent one.

Too bad that would cost money which would mean maybe closing some tax loopholes on the rich.

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Postby Skyhooked » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:20 pm

In addition.

If ya' ask me, it's not like regular teachers gonna get better payments, or classes get hi-tech equipment. It's folks, who lobbied it, gonna get the cream.

So I vote "No", cause this is just ain't right.
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Postby Skyhooked » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:22 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Skyhooked wrote:Greed in it's glory. Tutition fees no longer satisfy those guys, so now they invented sports fee to squeeze more money outta students. What's next? Ya' gotta pay additional fee to study "advanced" subjects like chemistry or biology?

Don't give them the idea. I already have to pay for AP exams. If we have to pay for each advanced class I'll have to leave those classes.


I doubt, they are reading threads on NS anyway...
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Postby Geneviev » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:23 pm

Skyhooked wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Don't give them the idea. I already have to pay for AP exams. If we have to pay for each advanced class I'll have to leave those classes.


I doubt, they are reading threads on NS anyway...

There's no better explanation for most of what they do other than they do read NSG threads.
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Postby Right wing humour squad » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:44 pm

Shit yeah you better be paying for all your schooling and activities.
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Postby The United Artherian Federation » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:48 pm

I have to pay $50 to run on the cross country team, but $400? That’s a little over the top.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:56 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Skyhooked wrote:
I doubt, they are reading threads on NS anyway...

There's no better explanation for most of what they do other than they do read NSG threads.

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Postby Western-Ukraine » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:03 pm

Schools need to encourage sports to a greater degree, but not at a considerable cost. Not all sports cost anything at all, anyway. Any student, impoverished or not, can look for like-minded people and use some creativity to play sports.
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Postby Luziyca » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:04 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Luziyca wrote:...depends.

If you have to pay out of your own pocket to take part in P.E. classes, then no, they shouldn't have to pay (besides whatever fees they're paying to attend). If it is an extracurricular team, then it'd make sense.

But how does it make sense to make a student pay to play sports? Gifted and Talented classes could be defined as "extracurricular", in that they are elective classes. Should students pay for GT?

I am sure that not all elective classes are extracurricular: an elective law class or an elective psychology class isn't really an extracurricular activity.

According to this article (I know it's a blog, but forgive me), it says that:

1. I do it outside of my schoolwork.
This should be obvious, but it is worth clarifying: anything that you do for class does not count as an extracurricular. This includes any extra credit work you have chosen to undertake or other instances of “going the extra mile” for a course. Ultimately, it is assumed that your grades will accurately reflect all of the work that you devote to preparing for you classes. With this understanding, you should refrain from referencing any work in your extracurricular section if it relates to a class on your high school transcript.


So, based on this, you can see that gifted and talented classes do not count as an extracurricular activity, and it makes intuitive sense to me. In contrast, sports outside of physical education is more of an extracurricular activity, since it is done outside of school.
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Postby Dagnia » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:12 pm

I don't think they should pay a fee just for the privilege of playing sports, but I do think the sports should pay for themselves. Schools in the US are either underfunded or they have an extremely bloated budget that gets wasted on frivolous bullshit. We're still behind in math and science and things weren't much better when I was going to grade school almost 20 years ago now, and we need to get our priorities in order. Sports should not be high up there, but we also shouldn't be giving them more money to waste.
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Postby Geneviev » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:13 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Geneviev wrote:There's no better explanation for most of what they do other than they do read NSG threads.

If they're skimming ideas off here, we'll be slaves before tomorrow.

It might happen, seeing as they replaced ketchup with Cholula and apparently demand 400 dollars for sports.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:02 pm

Geneviev wrote:Sports shouldn't be a thing in school. They already take a lot of money that could go to music (which is much better for students anyways) and it should be outside of school. But if they have to be during school or done by the school, the school shouldn't make them pay. But, you know, if some of that money could go to music that would be nice.

It needs to be a part of the curriculum so we don't have a bunch of physically retarded adults. School is about developing skills and knowledge in students. Why should that be limited to intellectual skills and knowledge?
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Postby Qasheer » Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:05 pm

I am still shocked.

$400 for sports? What's kind of school charge 400 dollar for sports?!

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Postby Scomagia » Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:10 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Scomagia wrote:But how does it make sense to make a student pay to play sports? Gifted and Talented classes could be defined as "extracurricular", in that they are elective classes. Should students pay for GT?

I am sure that not all elective classes are extracurricular: an elective law class or an elective psychology class isn't really an extracurricular activity.

According to this article (I know it's a blog, but forgive me), it says that:

1. I do it outside of my schoolwork.
This should be obvious, but it is worth clarifying: anything that you do for class does not count as an extracurricular. This includes any extra credit work you have chosen to undertake or other instances of “going the extra mile” for a course. Ultimately, it is assumed that your grades will accurately reflect all of the work that you devote to preparing for you classes. With this understanding, you should refrain from referencing any work in your extracurricular section if it relates to a class on your high school transcript.


So, based on this, you can see that gifted and talented classes do not count as an extracurricular activity, and it makes intuitive sense to me. In contrast, sports outside of physical education is more of an extracurricular activity, since it is done outside of school.

Fair enough. Sports are done at the school, usually, just not during normal school hours. I don't see why the fact that they are extracurricular should mean the student has to pay. It's additional education that the kids are electing to spend their time on instead of going home and learning nothing. Why charge for that?
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:14 pm

Dagnia wrote:I don't think they should pay a fee just for the privilege of playing sports, but I do think the sports should pay for themselves. Schools in the US are either underfunded or they have an extremely bloated budget that gets wasted on frivolous bullshit. We're still behind in math and science and things weren't much better when I was going to grade school almost 20 years ago now, and we need to get our priorities in order. Sports should not be high up there, but we also shouldn't be giving them more money to waste.

The tone of your post implies that sports are mere frivolity. They most certainly aren't. They teach physical competence, self confidence, discipline, and most importantly, teamwork. It's not merely playing games. There is a lot of stuff going on under the hood when children (or adults, for that matter) learn sport. It's education.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:17 pm

Geneviev wrote:
The South Falls wrote:If they're skimming ideas off here, we'll be slaves before tomorrow.

It might happen, seeing as they replaced ketchup with Cholula and apparently demand 400 dollars for sports.

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Postby Luziyca » Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:44 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I am sure that not all elective classes are extracurricular: an elective law class or an elective psychology class isn't really an extracurricular activity.

According to this article (I know it's a blog, but forgive me), it says that:



So, based on this, you can see that gifted and talented classes do not count as an extracurricular activity, and it makes intuitive sense to me. In contrast, sports outside of physical education is more of an extracurricular activity, since it is done outside of school.

Fair enough. Sports are done at the school, usually, just not during normal school hours. I don't see why the fact that they are extracurricular should mean the student has to pay. It's additional education that the kids are electing to spend their time on instead of going home and learning nothing. Why charge for that?

If my parents have to pay for my extracurricular drama classes out of school, why should I not have to pay for extracurricular sports?
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:51 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Fair enough. Sports are done at the school, usually, just not during normal school hours. I don't see why the fact that they are extracurricular should mean the student has to pay. It's additional education that the kids are electing to spend their time on instead of going home and learning nothing. Why charge for that?

If my parents have to pay for my extracurricular drama classes out of school, why should I not have to pay for extracurricular sports?

Your parents shouldn't have to pay for your drama classes. It's additional education that you are choosing to take instead of fucking around and learning nothing in your free time. That's exactly the sort of thing that should be subsidized. Did you think I'd be inconsistent?
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The Ohio State football coach earn US$6.5M a year..
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Postby New Vlada » Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:52 pm

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Postby Scomagia » Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:53 pm

Bombadil wrote:The Ohio State football coach earn US$6.5M a year..

This is about Primary and Secondary schools, not universities.
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