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Which side are you on?

For the cats!
45
28%
For the humans!
29
18%
I'll lay low until I see how this pans out..
18
11%
Cats need to be controlled
25
16%
This is just nanny state anti-catist regulation
16
10%
I would put a Hasselhoff option but I did on the last and not a peep of thanks from Ethel Mermania so screw that..
6
4%
Poll.. let us decide all with polls!
15
9%
Other
5
3%
 
Total votes : 159

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Costa Fierro
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:18 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Good luck overcoming the laziness of some owners and the craftiness of some cats.

I've yet to meet a cat with opposable thumbs, but then again I'm not a cat person.


My brother's cat knows how to open window latches. Makes it easy for me because I am a lazy arse and don't want to keep letting him out.

Sovaal wrote:I'm all for controls on cat populations but a complete ban? Might as well ban humans as well.


Well humans are actually hoping to at least undo some of the damage they've done, but this cat ban isn't as insane or weird as people think it is. There's locales near fenced sanctuaries where cats are subject to similar restrictions.
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Baltenstein
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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:16 am

Irish MP Edvard Hund approves of this bill, and and has vowed to lend his New Zealandian colleagues his unconditional support.

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Forsher
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Postby Forsher » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:40 am

Cat owners are incredibly entitled. New Zealanders in general are enormously entitled. The combination has proven disastrous.

Compare the restrictions placed on dogs, which are far less dangerous to wildlife as a result, to those placed on cats. Not even close.

Banning cats is a necessary step to move forwards. A bit like choosing a price you know you won't get to make sure you do get the lowest possible price when haggling.

There is no right-wing, property-rights based argument for cats either... they're the leading cause of property rights violations.
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Forsher
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Postby Forsher » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:42 am

Costa Fierro wrote:Omaui is a tiny little settlement at the wrong end of the South Island (just a little bit north of Bluff, famous for it's oysters), but the wish to ban cats comes from Environment Southland which is a organ of the regional council.

And it makes a lot of sense. The region is home to a lot of native bush and coastal areas, and New Zealand has a lot of birds that nest on the ground, including penguins. Cats are one of the many, many threats to New Zealand's birds and to reduce their numbers is a good thing. It wasn't that long ago that a philathropist by the name of Gareth Morgan (who subsequently formed his own political party in the 2017 election and then figured out like acting like a dick to your own party members didn't bode well for political success) suggested banning all cats from New Zealand.


Flip flopper.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:48 am

Sovaal wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Good luck overcoming the laziness of some owners and the craftiness of some cats.

I've yet to meet a cat with opposable thumbs, but then again I'm not a cat person.

Clearly there is only one way to solve this

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Aellex
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Postby Aellex » Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:49 am

Cats are shit, dogs master-pets.
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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:12 am

Aellex wrote:Cats are shit, dogs master-pets.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-cats-are-better-than-dogs-2015-1

u wot m8?

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:27 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:archispirostreptus gigas makes an acceptable alternative for people who want the cuddliness, quietness, and cute faces without the ecological impact.


"A docile species, A. gigas is commonly seen in the pet trade; however, imports of A. gigas, as well as a number of other millipedes, into the USA are banned due to agricultural damage caused by the mites they carry."

I can't imagine New Zealand, which likely has vastly more stringent biosecurity measures than the US, would let these in.

captive-bred a. gigas don't have the mites, so if anybody there has bred captive ones before they were banned, they should still be perfectly legal. it's not the only option - there are native procyliosoma pedes which are even cuter and cuddlier.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:30 am

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Postby Aellex » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:39 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Aellex wrote:Cats are shit, dogs master-pets.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-cats-are-better-than-dogs-2015-1

u wot m8?

1) "CaTs OwNeRs ArE sMaRtEr ThAn DoGs OwNeRs!!!!"
Not only is this retarded in its own right but the linked study is about how cat-people are more introverted and less numerous.
2) "Cats have a smaller carbon footprint than dogs."
If you want to save the planet, go bother China to stop polluting like crazy; owning a doggo for a lifetime is a mere tear in the ocean in comparison to what big companies do in a single day.
3)"Cats are less slobbery than dogs."
Huh... Just... What ?
4)"Owning a cat may reduce your risk of dying from a heart attack."
Bullshit study, again; made even more stupid by the fact that dog often are able to save their owners' life during accidents.
5)"Cats are cheaper than dogs."
Only half decent argument so far but even so, it's still a rather poor one.

In the end, we can indeed conclude Dog >> Cat. :p
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:04 am

Aellex wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-cats-are-better-than-dogs-2015-1

u wot m8?

1) "CaTs OwNeRs ArE sMaRtEr ThAn DoGs OwNeRs!!!!"
Not only is this retarded in its own right but the linked study is about how cat-people are more introverted and less numerous.
2) "Cats have a smaller carbon footprint than dogs."
If you want to save the planet, go bother China to stop polluting like crazy; owning a doggo for a lifetime is a mere tear in the ocean in comparison to what big companies do in a single day.
3)"Cats are less slobbery than dogs."
Huh... Just... What ?
4)"Owning a cat may reduce your risk of dying from a heart attack."
Bullshit study, again; made even more stupid by the fact that dog often are able to save their owners' life during accidents.
5)"Cats are cheaper than dogs."
Only half decent argument so far but even so, it's still a rather poor one.

In the end, we can indeed conclude Dog >> Cat. :p

i once again posit that millipedes make better pets than either of them
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:10 am

Aellex wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-cats-are-better-than-dogs-2015-1

u wot m8?

1) "CaTs OwNeRs ArE sMaRtEr ThAn DoGs OwNeRs!!!!"
Not only is this retarded in its own right but the linked study is about how cat-people are more introverted and less numerous.
2) "Cats have a smaller carbon footprint than dogs."
If you want to save the planet, go bother China to stop polluting like crazy; owning a doggo for a lifetime is a mere tear in the ocean in comparison to what big companies do in a single day.
3)"Cats are less slobbery than dogs."
Huh... Just... What ?
4)"Owning a cat may reduce your risk of dying from a heart attack."
Bullshit study, again; made even more stupid by the fact that dog often are able to save their owners' life during accidents.
5)"Cats are cheaper than dogs."
Only half decent argument so far but even so, it's still a rather poor one.

In the end, we can indeed conclude Dog >> Cat. :p



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Postby The South Falls » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:11 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Aellex wrote:1) "CaTs OwNeRs ArE sMaRtEr ThAn DoGs OwNeRs!!!!"
Not only is this retarded in its own right but the linked study is about how cat-people are more introverted and less numerous.
2) "Cats have a smaller carbon footprint than dogs."
If you want to save the planet, go bother China to stop polluting like crazy; owning a doggo for a lifetime is a mere tear in the ocean in comparison to what big companies do in a single day.
3)"Cats are less slobbery than dogs."
Huh... Just... What ?
4)"Owning a cat may reduce your risk of dying from a heart attack."
Bullshit study, again; made even more stupid by the fact that dog often are able to save their owners' life during accidents.
5)"Cats are cheaper than dogs."
Only half decent argument so far but even so, it's still a rather poor one.

In the end, we can indeed conclude Dog >> Cat. :p



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What ya gon' do with no thumbs?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:13 am

The South Falls wrote:

What ya gon' do with no thumbs?

Lay the red dot on the target.
Wrap my claw gently around the trigger.
And slowly retract that claw. :twisted:
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:15 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The South Falls wrote:What ya gon' do with no thumbs?

Lay the red dot on the target.
Wrap my claw gently around the trigger.
And slowly retract that claw. :twisted:

Well fuck I'm dead.

But can you aim with such a claw?
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:30 am

The South Falls wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Lay the red dot on the target.
Wrap my claw gently around the trigger.
And slowly retract that claw. :twisted:

Well fuck I'm dead.

But can you aim with such a claw?

Piece of cake,

The real problem is how we cats just love to chase the red dot. I don't know I can resist.
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Postby Durzan » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:45 am

Actually, cats are vital to the survival of our species as a whole. Banning them won't do us any good in the long run. Limiting them would help the enviroment some, but might cause other problems as well.
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Postby Forsher » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:01 am

Durzan wrote:Actually, cats are vital to the survival of our species as a whole. Banning them won't do us any good in the long run. Limiting them would help the enviroment some, but might cause other problems as well.


How? what are you talking about?
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Postby Aellex » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:17 am

Ethel mermania wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=34578858#p34578858

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Pupper is there to guard me against vile catish aggression !
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Postby Roman Union » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:19 am

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:47 am

Aellex wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=34578858#p34578858

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Pupper is there to guard me against vile catish aggression !

Oh no, it's crusader pupper, scourge of the Abyssinian cat crusade of 1326.
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:49 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Well fuck I'm dead.

But can you aim with such a claw?

Piece of cake,

The real problem is how we cats just love to chase the red dot. I don't know I can resist.

I need to point a Laser-aim module while you're trying to kill me.
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Postby Pope Joan » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:17 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:This war has already begun in Wisconsin.

The mad birders should be quarantined and their feeding trays sown with salt.

Meow tu, brutus?


The mad birders put out poisoned cat food.

So the cat people discovered that there was no particular hunting season for certain birds, and began shooting as many of them as they could,

War!
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Postby Krasny-Volny » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:30 am

The reasons they gave for this could just as easily be applied to dogs.
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Postby Forsher » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:41 am

Krasny-Volny wrote:The reasons they gave for this could just as easily be applied to dogs.


No, they can't.

Dogs, shockingly, aren't allowed off properties. And they're much less deadly in a garden because, shockingly, dogs are not stealth predators. They're also better domesticated and far less tempted by random pray animals.
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