The war begins..

[Des-Bal]

The reasons they gave for this could just as easily be applied to dogs.

A comic explaining the muderlust of the common housecat.

[Cekoviu]

Actually, cats are vital to the survival of our species as a whole.

um.
how?

[Dogmeat]

The first casualty:

[The New California Republic]

The first casualty:

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[-Manchukuo]

The first casualty:

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No, the first casualty is NSG, we lost our dignity, when we replied to this thread

[Albrenia]

The reasons they gave for this could just as easily be applied to dogs.

Dogs aren't nearly as skilled at ecological destruction as cats are. They can certainly do damage, but cats are far better at it.

[Dogmeat]

The reasons they gave for this could just as easily be applied to dogs.

Dogs aren't nearly as skilled at ecological destruction as cats are. They can certainly do damage, but cats are far better at it.

Challenge accepted.

[The New California Republic]

Dogs aren't nearly as skilled at ecological destruction as cats are. They can certainly do damage, but cats are far better at it.

Challenge accepted.

Biting the leg of a super mutant isn't classed as "ecological destruction".

[Albrenia]

Dogs aren't nearly as skilled at ecological destruction as cats are. They can certainly do damage, but cats are far better at it.

Challenge accepted.

Bring me back some bloatfly meat, please.

[Dogmeat]

Challenge accepted.

Biting the leg of a super mutant isn't classed as "ecological destruction".

Hey, you don't see any giant ants around the commonwealth anymore, do you?

[Unnamedland]

... ... ... Welp.

If a nuclear war ever breaks out New Zealand is no longer going to be the only non-dead, non-dystopian place left.

[The New California Republic]

Biting the leg of a super mutant isn't classed as "ecological destruction".

Hey, you don't see any giant ants around the commonwealth anymore, do you?

Probably due to developer oversight rather than act of dog.

[Costa Fierro]

Flip flopper.

LMAO is that all you've got? No wonder I hardly respond to any of your posts anymore.

Dogs, shockingly, aren't allowed off properties.

Since when?

They're also better domesticated and far less tempted by random pray animals.

Tell that to all the dead kiwi that were killed by dogs because some asshole took said dog into a place where it wasn't allowed. Turns out dogs are just as capable of killing native animals, they just don't do it as often as cats do.

[Dogmeat]

Flip flopper.

LMAO is that all you've got? No wonder I hardly respond to any of your posts anymore.

Dogs, shockingly, aren't allowed off properties.

Since when?

They're also better domesticated and far less tempted by random pray animals.

Tell that to all the dead kiwi that were killed by dogs because some asshole took said dog into a place where it wasn't allowed. Turns out dogs are just as capable of killing native animals, they just don't do it as often as cats do.

Jesus. How drunk was I last night?

[Myrensis]

Eh, it's not really unreasonable. New Zealand has no native land based predators, meaning none of the wildlife on the islands is at all adapted to dealing with them. So you take cats, murderous little fuckers to begin with, and put them in an environment where nothing knows how to react to them, and you get a small fuzzy/feathered holocaust.

[Bombadil]

Eh, it's not really unreasonable. New Zealand has no native land based predators, meaning none of the wildlife on the islands is at all adapted to dealing with them. So you take cats, murderous little fuckers to begin with, and put them in an environment where nothing knows how to react to them, and you get a small fuzzy/feathered holocaust.

Well quite, especially when you have an island known for its birds that cannot even fly.. I mean what is the point of being a bird..

[Dogmeat]

Eh, it's not really unreasonable. New Zealand has no native land based predators, meaning none of the wildlife on the islands is at all adapted to dealing with them. So you take cats, murderous little fuckers to begin with, and put them in an environment where nothing knows how to react to them, and you get a small fuzzy/feathered holocaust.

Well quite, especially when you have an island known for its birds that cannot even fly.. I mean what is the point of being a bird..

My favorite explanation of the Kakapo comes from Douglas Adams.

[Bombadil]

Well quite, especially when you have an island known for its birds that cannot even fly.. I mean what is the point of being a bird..

My favorite explanation of the Kakapo comes from Douglas Adams.

Right.. similar to Ricky Gervais' observation on Pandas.. 'we're doing all we can to help protect them but.. well they're not meeting us halfway are they?'.

[Costa Fierro]

Well quite, especially when you have an island known for its birds that cannot even fly.. I mean what is the point of being a bird..

These birds have evolved to fill niches that mammals did in most other places.

[Forsher]

Flip flopper.

LMAO is that all you've got? No wonder I hardly respond to any of your posts anymore.

Sensitive much.

Or perhaps it's paranoia since that is so obviously not really trying to talk to you in any way whatsoever... which is why it's weird we get these comments from a totally different post appended thusly...

Dogs, shockingly, aren't allowed off properties.

Since when?

Try it. You'll get a notice from animal control before you can blink.

Oh? You're trying to pretend we're talking about taking a dog for a walk?

They're also better domesticated and far less tempted by random pray animals.

Tell that to all the dead kiwi that were killed by dogs because some asshole took said dog into a place where it wasn't allowed. Turns out dogs are just as capable of killing native animals, they just don't do it as often as cats do.

Quote Mining: it's his thing.

And they're much less deadly in a garden because, shockingly, dogs are not stealth predators. They're also better domesticated and far less tempted by random pray animals.

You don't reply to me because I find you a complete bore and hence don't make comments for you to reply to.

Also, I have barely been posting on NSG for months. Honesty. Not Costa's Thing.

[Costa Fierro]

Sensitive much.

Do learn to get over yourself. And quit refraining from insinuating that people are liars.

[Bombadil]

Retract those claws kitties..

In doing a modicum of research related to one of these posts I saw that ferrets and others are as much responsible for eating the eggs of these birds as cats are for killing them. We should train these cats as much as possible to eat rodents not birds.

[Forsher]

Sensitive much.

Do learn to get over yourself. And quit refraining from insinuating that people are liars.

You are a liar. I have seen you at it many times. But I don't see its relevance here at all. Quote mining is incredibly dishonest and reprehensible but it's not lying.

If you wish to actually respond to my points, please by all means do so. But this constant need to have the last word is... bizarre. You have flip flopped since the Gareth Morgan days where you were... quite vicious in your opposition to anti-cat proposals (including on a personal level, but of course)... and it should be understood as good natured ribbing to remark upon that. It did not call for self-serious comment. And how you chose to respond to ideas which are implicitly made for comment was... dishonestly done. That's on you, mate.

So, yes, sensitive much.

In doing a modicum of research related to one of these posts I saw that ferrets and others are as much responsible for eating the eggs of these birds as cats are for killing them. We should train these cats as much as possible to eat rodents not birds.

Cats are not going to be trained any more than they already are. And, yes, everything is evil. Cats just happen be protected from their misdeeds in ways nothing else is. In misrepresenting what he was responding to Costa has pointed out how dogs are subject to much tighter controls as a result of how they are a problem. They are leashed and sometimes (iirc) banned from areas. Why? Because if you let a dog loose they can do some serious damage. And they have done. But cats are always loose and always doing damage... and every attempt to control cats and cat owners is met with.... outrage, claims of victimisation and, as we've seen in this thread, attempts to laugh it away.

It's been said that every child in NZ grows up hearing two stories. Firstly, of the Takahe discovered not extinct after all. Secondly, of the Stephens Island Wren, rendered extinct at the hands of a single cat (although, I believe, it's now thought to be a group of cats).

[Costa Fierro]

In doing a modicum of research related to one of these posts I saw that ferrets and others are as much responsible for eating the eggs of these birds as cats are for killing them. We should train these cats as much as possible to eat rodents not birds.

You can't really train cats to act against their instincts. While it's a nice idea, we're forgetting two things. One, we're relying on the general public to do the training and the general public is notoriously unreliable for that sort of thing (see how people train their dogs) and two, even if we were to achieve this, we'd still have issues with feral cats. And given that your average male cat can father over 2,000 offspring in his lifetime, that's a lot of potential offspring munching their way through the native bird populations.

In addition, the Department of Conservation (which is the government agency that's responsible for managing the government's conservation estate) recognises that while cats do pose a significant threat to bird life, mustelids and rodents pose a far greater threat too. Hence why DOC has been intensely trapping and aerially applying poisons such as sodium fluoracetate for over four decades.

You are a liar.

Look, you could have said that you weren't going to be civil about this and I needn't have wasted my time.

[Forsher]

You are a liar.

Look, you could have said that you weren't going to be civil about this and I needn't have wasted my time.

Firstly, calling you a liar is civil. There uncivil ways of accomplishing the same thing. Secondly, you're the one making this a Thing. As I just said, "flip flopper" is a throwaway remark which generated a completely disproportionate response.

This is exactly what you wanted from this, which is why every little word except the ones you want disappears from what you quote... as you know, misrepresentation works.

And this is why talking to you is a complete bore.