Liriena wrote:[…] rather than just pointing the finger at "the other side" as if left-wingers being shitty made Franco good.
As far as I understand it, the argument is not that Franco was good, but rather that he was better.
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by FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:00 am
Liriena wrote:[…] rather than just pointing the finger at "the other side" as if left-wingers being shitty made Franco good.
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:01 am
Aellex wrote:
Bad habit of mine than to just anglicise a French term and hopes it works instead of just googling the translation. :/
On Franco. The issue is not black and white. For some in Spain he was a dictator. For others, he was a beloved leader. So you have divided opinions in the country on what should be done here.
If it were up to me, give the remains to his family. But there are people back home who genuinely feel he should remain where he is. I don't like it anymore than many here, but it's not solely up to me and my feelings.
Tbh, I just dislike the idea of breaking monuments for the deads or digging up a corpse, no matter who they're dedicated to or how awful the person was.
Franco-ism is essentially dead in Spain from what I've heard so I don't think there is much point to do that anyway.
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by Liriena » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:08 am
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by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:13 am
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by FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:14 am
by Minzerland II » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:22 am
St Anselm of Canterbury wrote:[…]who ever heard of anything having two mothers or two fathers? (Monologion, pg. 63)
by Liriena » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:24 am
Minzerland II wrote:Liriena wrote:Which is a dubious argument at best, and mostly just ideology speaking.
Not at all. I have, coincidentally, been recently reading about the subject for the last few weeks (as well as reading on the subject prior), and Franco seems much better than the Anarchists and the Left.
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by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:25 am
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by Minzerland II » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:26 am
St Anselm of Canterbury wrote:[…]who ever heard of anything having two mothers or two fathers? (Monologion, pg. 63)
by Luminesa » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:29 am
by Aellex » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:34 am
Liriena wrote:"But what about the commies????"
^ a totally legit and serious argument that doesn't at all deflect from the actual person in question and his own legacy.
Say what you will about Saiwania, but at least he's directly defending right-wing tyranny, rather than just pointing the finger at "the other side" as if left-wingers being shitty made Franco good.
by Liriena » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:48 am
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by Imperializt Russia » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:53 am
Saiwania wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:The sitting Conservative government has literally been ousted by a new socialist president.
It doesn't look like socialism is working in terms of reducing that. Spain needs to go the route of Nazi Germany (minus the mass murder). I'm sure with Spain's own autobahn like projects or with a massive military buildup and rearmament that their unemployment will fall to 5% or less very quickly.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Soviet-mongol » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:11 am
Indo-Malaysia wrote:As much of a dick that Franco was, he should remain in his mausoleum. To move him would be an insult to history.
Why would someone be so twisted as to want to disturb the dead?
by Oil exporting People » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:16 am
Liriena wrote:Oil exporting People wrote:
Franco was inherently a fuck up long term, even if he gets points for utterly bashing the hell out of the Communists during the Civil War. The far better option would've been José Antonio Primo de Rivera taking power, and then aligning with the Carlists, who remained a vigorous and strong Rightist force until Franco betrayed yet more fellow Rightists.
That's a bit like saying "if only Hitler had died early and somebody more competent had taken over..."
Welp, it didn't happen. In real life, that is how the historical political movement turned out. That is how all of its forces, all of its actions, concluded.
When I think of the Soviet Union, I don't think "maybe it would have been an utopia if Trotsky had been in Stalin's place". I think "well, the Soviet attempt sucked major balls; we might need to rethink this whole Leninism thing if there's a next time".
by Oil exporting People » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:18 am
Soviet-mongol wrote:Indo-Malaysia wrote:As much of a dick that Franco was, he should remain in his mausoleum. To move him would be an insult to history.
Why would someone be so twisted as to want to disturb the dead?
Franco is offensive to all Spaniards and he desirved to be removed. Spain is today a democracy and has open its border to all people of color. This is what Franco was against.
by Soviet-mongol » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:20 am
by Oil exporting People » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:23 am
by Saiwania » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:24 am
Soviet-mongol wrote:Franco is offensive to all Spaniards and he deserved to be removed. Spain is today a democracy and has open its border to all people of color. This is what Franco was against.
by Soviet-mongol » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:26 am
by Soviet-mongol » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:26 am
by Oil exporting People » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:29 am
by Oil exporting People » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:30 am
Soviet-mongol wrote:Saiwania wrote:
Booooo! This is exactly the sort of immigration policies I hate.
Why? It will help the balance to keep the planet. Since Africa is having to many people and the West has problem with birthrates. The only solution to keep the enviromental balance is for the west to absorb the surplus people from Africa.
by Thermodolia » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:34 am
Soviet-mongol wrote:Saiwania wrote:
Booooo! This is exactly the sort of immigration policies I hate.
Why? It will help the balance to keep the planet. Since Africa is having to many people and the West has problem with birthrates. The only solution to keep the enviromental balance is for the west to absorb the surplus people from Africa.
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