Aellex wrote:US-SSR wrote:
For all the mayhem he unleashed on Europe and Egypt and for all the oppression he visited on his political foes, old Boney was just a piker compared to Franco when it came to mass murder. The Code Napoleon still forms the basis of the legal system in a significant part of the world, and students of war still study his campaigns. On balance I'd have to say Napoleon oui, Franco no.
So mass murder and that shit is all fine and dandy as long as you do enough "good stuff" on the side? Because, honestly, Napoléon Ier was more of a garbage human than Franco was; and I say that as a Frenchman.
I suppose we might could start a thread on which monuments to dictators should be taken down and why, or even Napoleon vs. Franco: who's the bigger historical bastard? But having read fairly extensively on both I don't see l'Empereur as much of a fascist; at least until he tried to establish his immigrant Corsican family as a French/European dynasty, and in some respects afterwards, he arguably judged most individuals and groups on their own merits rather than their race, religion or other personal characteristics. And even though I might not see any call to withdraw old Boney's old bones from Les Invalides and deposit them in the Seine or somewhere smellier, I suppose if the French decided to do that it wouldn't be any skin off my nose; just so, I'd miss bullfighting but if the Spanish decided to ban it, well, that's their call I guess.
That's enough off topic for one night I'd say.
I would say your statement on having morals dumb is in itself a really dumb statement. A nation without morales is going nowhere but down. Legality! 
Currently on an island that has more laws then sand grains on a beach but in the end corruption rules. Its the 21 century and corrupt politicians know how to use the law toward there advantage. In the end, Direct Democracy is the real answer.
