Would You Destroy The Planet?

[Estanglia]

Or just do what we did to the other species and destroy our planet.

We have a death star. We can destroy anyone else that tries to kill us.

And they could have millions of death stars, with 100% accuracy and a range so long they could shoot us from the other side of the universe. We just don't know enough.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Why? We know literally nothing about this species. They could be the most truthful species ever.

We can't take chances. We must be exterminate them.

Now, that seems unreasonable; we have all of the political and military leverage due to our ultimate superweapon. As such, we can conquer them and they will soon abandon their presumably-barbaric ways in favor of enlightened human values.

We can't take chances. We must be exterminate them.

We are taking chances. For all we know, there is a Universal Council that decides to annihilate us for our genocidal actions. They could see this attack as unjustified because they've punished the other species for their actions, consider us a genocidal race for annihilating a species we knew nothing about and not punishing the perpetrators and destroy us and Earth.

Hence why conquest, a politically and militarily legitimate option, is superior to extermination.

[San Lumen]

We can't take chances. We must be exterminate them.

Now, that seems unreasonable; we have all of the political and military leverage due to our ultimate superweapon. As such, we can conquer them and they will soon abandon their presumably-barbaric ways in favor of enlightened human values.

We are taking chances. For all we know, there is a Universal Council that decides to annihilate us for our genocidal actions. They could see this attack as unjustified because they've punished the other species for their actions, consider us a genocidal race for annihilating a species we knew nothing about and not punishing the perpetrators and destroy us and Earth.

Hence why conquest, a politically and militarily legitimate option, is superior to extermination.

And why are humans superior? Maybe this race has technology they could share with us to make civilization even better. Why destroy a species that never returned?

[Estanglia]

We are taking chances. For all we know, there is a Universal Council that decides to annihilate us for our genocidal actions. They could see this attack as unjustified because they've punished the other species for their actions, consider us a genocidal race for annihilating a species we knew nothing about and not punishing the perpetrators and destroy us and Earth.

Hence why conquest, a politically and militarily legitimate option, is superior to extermination.

It's also probably safer, as if the Universal Council steps in, we could reasonably claim ignorance of their rules around colonisation.

[The Great Imperator Jeffrey]

We have a death star. We can destroy anyone else that tries to kill us.

And then the Council does this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQO8MTlO69U

And then the survivors will be even angrier and they will find a new planet, build more death stars, and exterminate every xeno that gets in the way of the human race.

[Estanglia]

Now, that seems unreasonable; we have all of the political and military leverage due to our ultimate superweapon. As such, we can conquer them and they will soon abandon their presumably-barbaric ways in favor of enlightened human values.



Hence why conquest, a politically and militarily legitimate option, is superior to extermination.

And why are humans superior? Maybe this race has technology they could share with us to make civilization even better. Why destroy a species that never returned?

Swaglord's arguing against the genocide, saying we should enslave them, teach them our ways and, when they learn, release them.

[San Lumen]

And then the Council does this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQO8MTlO69U

And then the survivors will be even angrier and they will find a new planet, build more death stars, and exterminate every xeno that gets in the way of the human race.

Now whose the monster? Why not instead of blowing up a planet learn about this species and establish a dialogue? They could have something to offer us.

Why must we jump to conquest or destruction?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No.

Destroying them would prove that we are no better then they.

[Estanglia]

And then the Council does this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQO8MTlO69U

And then the survivors will be even angrier and they will find a new planet, build more death stars, and exterminate every xeno that gets in the way of the human race.

And then the UC monitors our progress and once we start building another death star they wipe us out again.

[Estanglia]

No.

Destroying them would prove that we are no better then they.

Exactly.

[The Great Imperator Jeffrey]

And why are humans superior? Maybe this race has technology they could share with us to make civilization even better. Why destroy a species that never returned?

Swaglord's arguing against the genocide, saying we should enslave them, teach them our ways and, when they learn, release them.

If we enslave them, we should not release them. Slavery will be their species's punishment for the rest of eternity.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

And why are humans superior? Maybe this race has technology they could share with us to make civilization even better. Why destroy a species that never returned?

Swaglord's arguing against the genocide, saying we should enslave them, teach them our ways and, when they learn, release them.

Slavery is too harsh; a better term would be… I dunno… indentured servitude, maybe?

[The Great Imperator Jeffrey]

And then the survivors will be even angrier and they will find a new planet, build more death stars, and exterminate every xeno that gets in the way of the human race.

Now whose the monster? Why not instead of blowing up a planet learn about this species and establish a dialogue? They could have something to offer us.

Why must we jump to conquest or destruction?

In the galactic stage, you conquer/destroy or get conquered/destroyed.

[San Lumen]

Now whose the monster? Why not instead of blowing up a planet learn about this species and establish a dialogue? They could have something to offer us.

Why must we jump to conquest or destruction?

In the galactic stage, you conquer/destroy or get conquered/destroyed.

Why destroy or a conquer a species that never returned. Im sorry your so genocidal. I would have you relieved of command.

[Estanglia]

Swaglord's arguing against the genocide, saying we should enslave them, teach them our ways and, when they learn, release them.

If we enslave them, we should not release them. Slavery will be their species's punishment for the rest of eternity.

Because of the actions of the guilty minority that may:
1) Have died already, so we're punishing people for their ancestor's sins.
2) Have already received justice at the hands of the UC.
3) Have been thrown out of power and punished for their sins.
4) Have been a rogue faction and in no way representative of the species' opinion about what to do with us.

You're automatically accusing this species of being evil with your only piece of evidence being an attack 331 years ago that is equally evidence for and against your position.

[The Great Imperator Jeffrey]

In the galactic stage, you conquer/destroy or get conquered/destroyed.

Why destroy or a conquer a species that never returned. Im sorry your so genocidal. I would have you relieved of command.

Anyway, if they attacked us, why would they want to engage in diplomacy. For all we know, they thought they destroyed us the first time and will try to destroy us again once they find out that we're still alive.

[Estanglia]

Now whose the monster? Why not instead of blowing up a planet learn about this species and establish a dialogue? They could have something to offer us.

Why must we jump to conquest or destruction?

In the galactic stage, you conquer/destroy or get conquered/destroyed.

How would you know that?

[Estanglia]

Why destroy or a conquer a species that never returned. Im sorry your so genocidal. I would have you relieved of command.

Anyway, if they attacked us, why would they want to engage in diplomacy. For all we know, they thought they destroyed us the first time and will try to destroy us again once they find out that we're still alive.

For all we know, that attack could've been from a rogue faction the species has been trying to destroy for ages. Again, we should err on the side of caution and not attack until we know more. If they try anything, boom they're dead.

[San Lumen]

Why destroy or a conquer a species that never returned. Im sorry your so genocidal. I would have you relieved of command.

Anyway, if they attacked us, why would they want to engage in diplomacy. For all we know, they thought they destroyed us the first time and will try to destroy us again once they find out that we're still alive.

its been 331 years! They left the planet after the war and never returned. Why destroy them and not try diplomacy first?

[The Great Imperator Jeffrey]

In the galactic stage, you conquer/destroy or get conquered/destroyed.

How would you know that?

Because they tried to destroy us. I made an educated guess.

[San Lumen]

How would you know that?

Because they tried to destroy us. I made an educated guess.

And you would be a terrible general or leader.

[The New California Republic]

How would you know that?

Because they tried to destroy us. I made an educated guess.

That isn't an educated guess, it is just a guess.

[Estanglia]

How would you know that?

Because they tried to destroy us. I made an educated guess.

You're basing your (un)educated guess on one attack by one species that we know jack shit about. That's not very educated. If I was your CO, you'd be fired.

[Ifreann]

Like how the UN wanted a Genocide of the Germans after WW2, yeah?

I’m not concerned about the UN. After destroying the aliens I will become a hero; completely politically untouchable.

Huge numbers of people would consider you the worst human since Hitler. You'd very likely be returning to Earth in handcuffs.

Plus I still command the most powerful battle fleet in the universe.

There is no reason to believe that's true. In fact, it's silly to believe it would be true. We wouldn't send the entire fleet to Kepler 186 and leave Earth defenceless. We'd send an expeditionary force. Most of the fleet would stay here.

If the UN even tries to debate extending the conventions to aliens (post facto no less); I’ll land on Earth with my troops and my ships and establish martial law.

The attack happens in 2019. The UN will have alien rights figured out well before the counter-attack happens in 2350.

I’ve always wanted to get rid of a corrupt democracy anyways.

You won't be getting rid of anything from the brig except your empty meal tray.

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I never said that.

I said you are the commander of A large space fleet. Meaning there are more, potentially more powerful, space fleets.

Planet destroying gun still allows him to hold earth at gunpoint.

Four planet destroying guns pointed back at him says otherwise.

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Im sorry but i have no desire to be like Hitler and wipe out a entire species.

Its not like hitler if we are doing this for self preservation and for the preservation of other species in the galaxy who could become the potential prey of these aliens who obviously are only vested in their own self interests of galactic conquest.

Aliens who left us alone for 300 years aren't really an imminent threat we need to wipe out to save our species.

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>I'm not genocidal
Do you even Stellaris m8

The only time I commit genocide in Stellaris is when I invade a hive mind empire, the population on the occupied planets dies without me even doing anything, since they are cut off from the hive mind.

...wait, does assimilation of biological lifeforms in the materialist ascension pathway count as "genocide"?

If you go bio-ascension you can genetically modify the hive-mindedness out of them.

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I agree with Iffy. He'd have been declared mentally unfit to command even before it left spacedock.



I'm not going to be called a traitor to humanity because I'm an ethical person, and especially not by someone who thinks Game of Thrones is a good model for society.

If you want laws designed to protect humans to apply for the benefit of aliens when said aliens are invading and destroying humankind (putting our survival at stake)... then you are doing more then simply trying to be a lawyer/advocate for the aliens; your position is fundamentally traitorous against humanity

To uphold the universal rights of all sapient life, from the depths of the Pacific to the edge of the galaxy.

[The Great Imperator Jeffrey]

Anyway, if they attacked us, why would they want to engage in diplomacy. For all we know, they thought they destroyed us the first time and will try to destroy us again once they find out that we're still alive.

its been 331 years! They left the planet after the war and never returned. Why destroy them and not try diplomacy first?

Why shouldn't we destroy them? We must punish the xenos for killing many of our people.