Muslim sues for "discrimination" for not accommodating her.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/16/muslim-w ... 0-7849508/

TL;DR: Muslim woman refuses to shake job interviewer's hand. Cites religious faith. Claims discrimination when not given the job.

So it's discrimination NOT to discriminate in her favour? Why is "my interpretation of my faith tells me not to shake your hand" a legitimate reason not to, when "I'm worried about germs" is not? If rules aren't rules, who gets to say what constitutes a valid exception? What if one person has to violate another person's religious beliefs to meet their own?

[Vassenor]

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/16/muslim-woman-rejected-from-job-for-not-shaking-mans-hand-is-awarded-3000-7849508/

TL;DR: Muslim woman refuses to shake job interviewer's hand. Cites religious faith. Claims discrimination when not given the job.

So it's discrimination NOT to discriminate in her favour? Why is "my interpretation of my faith tells me not to shake your hand" a legitimate reason not to, when "I'm worried about germs" is not? If rules aren't rules, who gets to say what constitutes a valid exception? What if one person has to violate another person's religious beliefs to meet their own?

Let me put it to you like this: if you did something perfectly innocuous during an interview, and were immediately told that the interview was over and you need to get out, how would you feel?

[Greed and Death]

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/16/muslim-woman-rejected-from-job-for-not-shaking-mans-hand-is-awarded-3000-7849508/

TL;DR: Muslim woman refuses to shake job interviewer's hand. Cites religious faith. Claims discrimination when not given the job.

So it's discrimination NOT to discriminate in her favour? Why is "my interpretation of my faith tells me not to shake your hand" a legitimate reason not to, when "I'm worried about germs" is not? If rules aren't rules, who gets to say what constitutes a valid exception? What if one person has to violate another person's religious beliefs to meet their own?

Let me put it to you like this: if you did something perfectly innocuous during an interview, and were immediately told that the interview was over and you need to get out, how would you feel?

The company had a policy about hand shakes so even if she could not prove that led to her not being hired she was subjected to that policy and that policy was discriminatory.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/16/muslim-woman-rejected-from-job-for-not-shaking-mans-hand-is-awarded-3000-7849508/

TL;DR: Muslim woman refuses to shake job interviewer's hand. Cites religious faith. Claims discrimination when not given the job.

So it's discrimination NOT to discriminate in her favour? Why is "my interpretation of my faith tells me not to shake your hand" a legitimate reason not to, when "I'm worried about germs" is not? If rules aren't rules, who gets to say what constitutes a valid exception? What if one person has to violate another person's religious beliefs to meet their own?

Let me put it to you like this: if you did something perfectly innocuous during an interview, and were immediately told that the interview was over and you need to get out, how would you feel?

Upset, but not necessarily entitled to sue them. Their company, their rules.

EDIT: And frankly, I'd rather we challenged the handshake custom in the first place than just carve out an exception only for Muslims and leaving everyone else stuck with it.

[Diopolis]

It sounds to me like the company has reasonable grounds for claiming shaking men’s hands to be a job requirement.

[The South Falls]

Why would shaking a hand be that much of a job requirement? What kind of job was it?

[United Muscovite Nations]

I think she was in the right, she wasn't asking for much accommodation at all. It's not like they would have been going out of their way.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Why would shaking a hand be that much of a job requirement? What kind of job was it?

Interpreter.

[Diopolis]

Why would shaking a hand be that much of a job requirement? What kind of job was it?

Interpreter. It’s pretty common for skilled people-oriented jobs to have specific company requirements for interacting with clients, and if handshakes are how this company does business, well, that makes this case a bit like suing hooters because they won’t let you work in a burqa- which I now really want to see.

[True Alimeria]

People like her disgust me. Being an absolute jerk by refusing to give a handshake just to show how MUCH you care about your religion,
having the decency to then expect something positive from others and then SUING them?!
Should have been kicked out immediately, saying this as a Muslim myself. Some people really wanna make shit up.

[The South Falls]

Why would shaking a hand be that much of a job requirement? What kind of job was it?

Interpreter. It’s pretty common for skilled people-oriented jobs to have specific company requirements for interacting with clients, and if handshakes are how this company does business, well, that makes this case a bit like suing hooters because they won’t let you work in a burqa- which I now really want to see.

I mean, that's a little odd. But, it'd put conservatives at ease.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Why would shaking a hand be that much of a job requirement? What kind of job was it?

Interpreter. It’s pretty common for skilled people-oriented jobs to have specific company requirements for interacting with clients, and if handshakes are how this company does business, well, that makes this case a bit like suing hooters because they won’t let you work in a burqa- which I now really want to see.

She was probably going to be interpreting for Muslims, who would have understood why she didn't shake hands.

[Galloism]

Why would shaking a hand be that much of a job requirement? What kind of job was it?

Interpreter. It’s pretty common for skilled people-oriented jobs to have specific company requirements for interacting with clients, and if handshakes are how this company does business, well, that makes this case a bit like suing hooters because they won’t let you work in a burqa- which I now really want to see.

This lawsuit needs to happen. For the lulz.

[Gravlen]

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/16/muslim-woman-rejected-from-job-for-not-shaking-mans-hand-is-awarded-3000-7849508/

TL;DR: Muslim woman refuses to shake job interviewer's hand. Cites religious faith. Claims discrimination when not given the job.

If you're going to do a TL;DR, you should do it accurately.

TL;DR: Muslim woman refuses to shake job interviewer's hand. Cites religious faith. Isn't allowed to finish the interview, and is told that she won't get the job. Interviewer says it would have been OK if she had refused to shake hands because of a fear of germs or due to autism, but not for religious reasons. Claims discrimination when not given the job.

The verdict is found here.

[Camicon]

Let me put it to you like this: if you did something perfectly innocuous during an interview, and were immediately told that the interview was over and you need to get out, how would you feel?

The company had a policy about hand shakes so even if she could not prove that led to her not being hired she was subjected to that policy and that policy was discriminatory.

The company's policy is that you can't refuse to shake hands with someone because of their gender.

Except that Farah Alhajeh doesn't shake hands with men or women, which this company would have learned if they hadn't thrown her out of the building immediately.

Let me put it to you like this: if you did something perfectly innocuous during an interview, and were immediately told that the interview was over and you need to get out, how would you feel?

Upset, but not necessarily entitled to sue them. Their company, their rules.

EDIT: And frankly, I'd rather we challenged the handshake custom in the first place than just carve out an exception only for Muslims and leaving everyone else stuck with it.

Their rules being that you can't treat customers differently because of their gender.

"But handshakes are traditional in Europe. The interpreting company had argued its staff were required to treat men and women equally and could not allow a staff member to refuse a handshake based on gender."

But that wouldn't have been an issue for Farah Alhajeh, because she doesn't shake hands with anyone.

"In my country, you cannot treat women and men differently. I respect that. That’s why I don’t have any physical contact with men or with women."

[Diopolis]

Interpreter. It’s pretty common for skilled people-oriented jobs to have specific company requirements for interacting with clients, and if handshakes are how this company does business, well, that makes this case a bit like suing hooters because they won’t let you work in a burqa- which I now really want to see.

She was probably going to be interpreting for Muslims, who would have understood why she didn't shake hands.

The company should have a different policy. But that they don’t doesn’t qualify as discrimination.

[Diopolis]

Interpreter. It’s pretty common for skilled people-oriented jobs to have specific company requirements for interacting with clients, and if handshakes are how this company does business, well, that makes this case a bit like suing hooters because they won’t let you work in a burqa- which I now really want to see.

This lawsuit needs to happen. For the lulz.

Yes. It very much does.

[Camicon]

She was probably going to be interpreting for Muslims, who would have understood why she didn't shake hands.

The company should have a different policy. But that they don’t doesn’t qualify as discrimination.

There's nothing wrong with their policy as it stands, the interviewer was just a dipshit. The dipshittery is where the discrimination came in.

[Ostroeuropa]

Her religion causes her to espouse sexist beliefs about men like the notion she can't shake their hands and so on, based on toxic ideas about mens sexuality and staying clean of interaction with them and so on, so they didn't hire her.
Not hiring someone who is openly homophobic or misogynist in the interview, even if for religious reasons, would be similar. She's basically saying "My religion tells me (wo)men have cooties so I have to treat them like touching them will infect me.".

Imagine acting that way about black people.

It's not merely about the handshake. It's about the fact she'll have to explain to clients she's a religious bigot every time the subject comes up and she refuses to shake their hand on religious grounds.

This ruling is a ruling defending a religious persecution complex and how if they can't discriminate and act prejudiced towards others they are being persecuted.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Her religion causes her to espouse sexist beliefs about men like the notion she can't shake their hands and so on, based on toxic ideas about mens sexuality and staying clean of interaction with them and so on, so they didn't hire her.
Not hiring someone who is openly homophobic or misogynist in the interview, even if for religious reasons, would be similar. She's basically saying "My religion tells me (wo)men have cooties so I have to treat them like touching them will infect me.".

Imagine acting that way about black people.

It's not merely about the handshake. It's about the fact she'll have to explain to clients she's a religious bigot every time the subject comes up and she refuses to shake their hand on religious grounds.

She said she doesn't shake the hands of women either to show equal treatment to both sexes.

[Ostroeuropa]

Her religion causes her to espouse sexist beliefs about men like the notion she can't shake their hands and so on, based on toxic ideas about mens sexuality and staying clean of interaction with them and so on, so they didn't hire her.
Not hiring someone who is openly homophobic or misogynist in the interview, even if for religious reasons, would be similar. She's basically saying "My religion tells me (wo)men have cooties so I have to treat them like touching them will infect me.".

Imagine acting that way about black people.

It's not merely about the handshake. It's about the fact she'll have to explain to clients she's a religious bigot every time the subject comes up and she refuses to shake their hand on religious grounds.

She said she doesn't shake the hands of women either to show equal treatment to both sexes.

She's still voicing a prejudice.

"Oh no no, I don't want to touch blacks, it'll screw with my DNA and turn me inferior. But don't worry, i won't touch other people either just to be fair. Can I have a job?"

[Nunavutialand]

She gives muslims a bad name.

[The South Falls]

Should we not treat this as we did the cake case?

[United Muscovite Nations]

She said she doesn't shake the hands of women either to show equal treatment to both sexes.

She's still voicing a prejudice.

"Oh no no, I don't want to touch blacks, it'll screw with my DNA and turn me inferior. But don't worry, i won't touch other people either just to be fair. Can I have a job?"

That's a total strawman, she doesn't want to touch men because she considers touching members of the opposite sex immoral, not because she's afraid of them.

[Ostroeuropa]

She's still voicing a prejudice.

"Oh no no, I don't want to touch blacks, it'll screw with my DNA and turn me inferior. But don't worry, i won't touch other people either just to be fair. Can I have a job?"

That's a total strawman, she doesn't want to touch men because she considers touching members of the opposite sex immoral, not because she's afraid of them.

She considers it immoral because of notions about mens sexuality being a corrupting thing that degrades her and makes her impure, and it is her religious duty to remain pure, and this prejudice is so extreme it extends to even shaking their hand.

It's pretty comparable to; "Oh no no, I don't want to touch blacks, it'll screw with my DNA and turn me inferior. But don't worry, i won't touch other people either just to be fair. Can I have a job?"

And then saying "it's about morals though, not because i'm afraid of blacks, it's my duty to remain pure and immoral to do things that threaten that purity."