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James Bond is..

..the ubermench, an Ayn Rand reading champion of men's rights!
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..a total hippie, a kale eating equal opportunities sandal wearer
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..amm.. a fictional character who isn't political
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..what..? He's the very cornerstone of political belief structure
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..the equivalent of a flotilla of a million refugees
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..David Hasselhoff is the only acceptable Bond..
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An opportunity for a poll?
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:14 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:He's a citizen of Britain, the only way he'd have American citizenship is illegally.

British parents, born in America, would make him a dual British-American citizen. Or being born in the UK while having one British and one American parent.


My brother was that but Canada/American instead.

So Bond technically could be an American spy. Maybe dual citizenship & dual spying. A different kind of double agent. Hey, after all, lol, it is fiction.
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Postby US-SSR » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:22 pm

Jomes Bond 007 is a public servant. He does his job regardless of which party is in power. Hence, a loyal member of the "deep state." That being said, he is dedicated above all to his country and an implacable opponent of its enemies. If he voted, which is not certain, he would vote for candidates and parties who demonstrated commitment to the security of the nation against its enemies, foreign and domestic.

Ergo, in 2018 in America, he would vote Democratic, QED.

As for Idris Elba, he could never be James Bond, at least not in America. The first time he ran a stop sign in his Aston Martin some cop would shoot him dead.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:32 pm

Camicon wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:He's a citizen of Britain, the only way he'd have American citizenship is illegally.

British parents, born in America, would make him a dual British-American citizen. Or being born in the UK while having one British and one American parent.

He wasn't born in America so
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Postby Camicon » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:35 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Camicon wrote:British parents, born in America, would make him a dual British-American citizen. Or being born in the UK while having one British and one American parent.

He wasn't born in America so

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:41 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:He wasn't born in America so

How do you know?

As a British subject he's more likely to be born in the Empire. Being born in America is much less likely. In fact he's more likely to have been born in Switzerland than America.

Can you prove he was born in America?
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Postby Camicon » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:42 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Camicon wrote:How do you know?

As a British subject he's more likely to be born in the Empire. Being born in America is much less likely.

It remains a possibility.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:As a British subject he's more likely to be born in the Empire. Being born in America is much less likely.

It remains a possibility.

So does him being born in Cambodia.
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Postby Camicon » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:44 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Camicon wrote:It remains a possibility.

So does him being born in Cambodia.

Sure. I was merely pointing out different ways Bond could be both an American and British citizen.
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Postby San Carlos Islands » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:55 pm

Muh American centric everyone is either a Democrat or a Republican.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:58 pm

San Carlos Islands wrote:Muh American centric everyone is either a Democrat or a Republican.


The OP is a British citizen living in (I think) Hong Kong.

He might have a range of reasons for the framing the thread like this, but overt Americancentrism likely isn't one of them.

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Postby San Carlos Islands » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:58 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:James Bond can't be a Republican in the American sense as he wouldn't be an American citizen. American political party affiliations are therefore irrelevant to Mr Bond.

He uses a fake US passport provided by the British government as his voter ID. Duh.
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Postby Bombadil » Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:14 pm

Just on the Republican point.. it's whether he represents the same views as Richard Spencer, whether he's the bastion of masculine anglo-saxon ideals.. to the point that Spencer pretends he was about to shoot himself given the idea Idris Elba might be selected to play the next James Bond.

Of course, there is no doubt about Spencer’s allegiances in current electoral politics: The white-nationalist bigot is an open, explicit supporter of President Trump. He voted for the Republican candidate in the 2016 presidential election. He said, “Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!” as cheering supporters rendered Nazi salutes. And the rally of white supremacists that he participated in last year in Charlottesville was named “Unite the Right,” not “Unite the Left.”

Of course, Dinesh D'Souza, that great apologist for shitty views, even thinks Spencer is a bit too far for the Republican party so he has his own theory..

Only toward the end of the interview did it hit me. Spencer’s views are virtually identical to those of the progressive racists of the Woodrow Wilson era. In a purely logical sense, Spencer should be a progressive Democrat … Even today the Democratic Party is the party of ethnic identity politics.

Is Bond a Wilson era Democrat or a Trump era Republican..?
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:46 pm

Bombadil wrote:Just on the Republican point.. it's whether he represents the same views as Richard Spencer, whether he's the bastion of masculine anglo-saxon ideals.. to the point that Spencer pretends he was about to shoot himself given the idea Idris Elba might be selected to play the next James Bond.

Of course, there is no doubt about Spencer’s allegiances in current electoral politics: The white-nationalist bigot is an open, explicit supporter of President Trump. He voted for the Republican candidate in the 2016 presidential election. He said, “Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!” as cheering supporters rendered Nazi salutes. And the rally of white supremacists that he participated in last year in Charlottesville was named “Unite the Right,” not “Unite the Left.”

Of course, Dinesh D'Souza, that great apologist for shitty views, even thinks Spencer is a bit too far for the Republican party so he has his own theory..

Only toward the end of the interview did it hit me. Spencer’s views are virtually identical to those of the progressive racists of the Woodrow Wilson era. In a purely logical sense, Spencer should be a progressive Democrat … Even today the Democratic Party is the party of ethnic identity politics.

Is Bond a Wilson era Democrat or a Trump era Republican..?


If in fact he is operating under the pseudonym of James Bond and is actually the handsomely ageless Dorian Gray, there'd be little doubt he's a Wilson era Democrat. ;)
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Jerzylvania wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Just on the Republican point.. it's whether he represents the same views as Richard Spencer, whether he's the bastion of masculine anglo-saxon ideals.. to the point that Spencer pretends he was about to shoot himself given the idea Idris Elba might be selected to play the next James Bond.

Of course, there is no doubt about Spencer’s allegiances in current electoral politics: The white-nationalist bigot is an open, explicit supporter of President Trump. He voted for the Republican candidate in the 2016 presidential election. He said, “Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!” as cheering supporters rendered Nazi salutes. And the rally of white supremacists that he participated in last year in Charlottesville was named “Unite the Right,” not “Unite the Left.”

Of course, Dinesh D'Souza, that great apologist for shitty views, even thinks Spencer is a bit too far for the Republican party so he has his own theory..

Only toward the end of the interview did it hit me. Spencer’s views are virtually identical to those of the progressive racists of the Woodrow Wilson era. In a purely logical sense, Spencer should be a progressive Democrat … Even today the Democratic Party is the party of ethnic identity politics.

Is Bond a Wilson era Democrat or a Trump era Republican..?


If in fact he is operating under the pseudonym of James Bond and is actually the handsomely ageless Dorian Gray, there'd be little doubt he's a Wilson era Democrat. ;)


James Bond isn't a single man. The name is a code name for a series of MI6 agents.

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Postby UniversalCommons » Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:54 pm

I thought he was Scottish, not English. My impressionist is that he might be a member of the Unionist party before it became the Conservative Party.
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Postby US-SSR » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:03 pm

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Jerzylvania wrote:
If in fact he is operating under the pseudonym of James Bond and is actually the handsomely ageless Dorian Gray, there'd be little doubt he's a Wilson era Democrat. ;)


James Bond isn't a single man. The name is a code name for a series of MI6 agents.


I think David Niven and Peter Sellers were both James Bonds...
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Fartsniffage wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
If in fact he is operating under the pseudonym of James Bond and is actually the handsomely ageless Dorian Gray, there'd be little doubt he's a Wilson era Democrat. ;)


James Bond isn't a single man. The name is a code name for a series of MI6 agents.


I half consider that.. but in the books he's a specific person and the last series pretty much starts as he becomes 007 and ends in defeating SPECTRE.. so it's kind of a story in a whole..

The period moving through Connery, Moore.. some others.. up until Craig are, in my view, kind of different agents with the same name, call sign..
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Exxosia wrote:Exactly. James Bond is the name the agent is given, 007 is the agent number. I do not know if race factors into the identity though. If all 007: James Bonds have to be white. For all we know there is a 009: Samuel Locke who is and has always been a black agent.

As for being a Republican, I would say no because what Bond stands for and what the modern Republican party stands for have a lot of conflicts on key points. I could see him as an UKIP member though because they're UK over all and I think that would jive with Bond's goals.


In what way?

In that, for James Bond, a completely independent UK free from any outside control or machinations would likely coincide with his goals. The idea that someone outside the UK could have any say in UK affairs — positive, negative, or otherwise — would be anathema to him.

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Vassenor wrote:
In what way?

In that, for James Bond, a completely independent UK free from any outside control or machinations would likely coincide with his goals. The idea that someone outside the UK could have any say in UK affairs — positive, negative, or otherwise — would be anathema to him.


Based upon what?
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Bombadil wrote:"Let there be no mistake, a black James Bond would be an act of dispossession far greater than a flotilla of a million refugees. Refugees are, after all, refugees. James Bond is a symbol of British identity - indeed the British Empire - and of European masculinity writ large"


Richard Spencer has a campy gay voice and bitchtits, I don't see why he feels the need to talk about European masculinity writ at all.
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James Bond isn't a single man. The name is a code name for a series of MI6 agents.


I think David Niven and Peter Sellers were both James Bonds...


Not forgetting Woody Allen as Little Jimmy Bond.
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US-SSR wrote:Jomes Bond 007 is a public servant. He does his job regardless of which party is in power. Hence, a loyal member of the "deep state." That being said, he is dedicated above all to his country and an implacable opponent of its enemies. If he voted, which is not certain, he would vote for candidates and parties who demonstrated commitment to the security of the nation against its enemies, foreign and domestic.

Ergo, in 2018 in America, he would vote Democratic, QED.

As for Idris Elba, he could never be James Bond, at least not in America. The first time he ran a stop sign in his Aston Martin some cop would shoot him dead.

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Since there are no Democrats or Republicans, in the US sense. in the UK, he would then either vote Conservative, Liberal or Labor.

I would guess he might be independent in his choices, sort of a rogue

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Postby Jerzylvania » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:25 am

Ifreann wrote:
US-SSR wrote:Jomes Bond 007 is a public servant. He does his job regardless of which party is in power. Hence, a loyal member of the "deep state." That being said, he is dedicated above all to his country and an implacable opponent of its enemies. If he voted, which is not certain, he would vote for candidates and parties who demonstrated commitment to the security of the nation against its enemies, foreign and domestic.

Ergo, in 2018 in America, he would vote Democratic, QED.

As for Idris Elba, he could never be James Bond, at least not in America. The first time he ran a stop sign in his Aston Martin some cop would shoot him dead.

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