NATION

PASSWORD

Poll about authoritarianism

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

On a scale from 0 to 5, how much do you consider that authoritarianism is an important topic ?

0
3
14%
1
0
No votes
2
3
14%
3
3
14%
4
4
19%
5
8
38%
 
Total votes : 21

User avatar
NewFrance
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 4
Founded: Aug 14, 2018
Ex-Nation

Poll about authoritarianism

Postby NewFrance » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:32 am

I see a lot of nations trying to be very authoritarian and others trying to be absolutely not authoritarian.


I don't want to debate about if is authoritarianism good or bad but I'd like to talk about something else:
Authoritarianism, important or useless topic ?
Will you privilege the question of authoritarianism instead of another question like the employement question ?

I personnaly consider this question as important because I'm attached to civil right. I believe that freedom is important to live happily. So i try to be a nation which is not too authoritarian.

Enjoy the poll ! :)
Last edited by NewFrance on Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:18 am, edited 5 times in total.

User avatar
Jello Biafra
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6402
Founded: Antiquity
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Jello Biafra » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:40 am

Could you elaborate? For instance, I think it's important to oppose authoritarianism. Does this mean I think it's important or not?

User avatar
The Black Party
Minister
 
Posts: 2558
Founded: Oct 31, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The Black Party » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:42 am

Is 5 more authoritarian or less authoritarian?
Don't talk to Moderators.
Don't associate with Moderators.
Don't trust Moderators.
Moderators Lie.
"Revolt Against the Mod World"

User avatar
Sovaal
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13695
Founded: Mar 17, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Sovaal » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:45 am

Gonna need a better Op, such as what is your opnion, why, and why you think this topic is one to bring up?
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 35483
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:47 am

NewFrance wrote:Authoritarianism, important or useless topic ?

A bit more substance would be lovely.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
NewFrance
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 4
Founded: Aug 14, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby NewFrance » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:47 am

The Black Party wrote:Is 5 more authoritarian or less authoritarian?

I'm not talking about are you authoritarian or not, I mean, do you considerer that it's an important subject. Will you privilege the question of authoritarianism instead of the ecological question for instance.

User avatar
NewFrance
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 4
Founded: Aug 14, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby NewFrance » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:49 am

Jello Biafra wrote:Could you elaborate? For instance, I think it's important to oppose authoritarianism. Does this mean I think it's important or not?

I've edited my question, i hope it's clear now.

User avatar
Maineiacs
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7323
Founded: May 26, 2005
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Maineiacs » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:56 am

NewFrance wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:Could you elaborate? For instance, I think it's important to oppose authoritarianism. Does this mean I think it's important or not?

I've edited my question, i hope it's clear now.



No, it's not more clear. We still don't know whether you're asking if we're opposed to/ supporting it, or if you're asking whether we think just discussing and debating its merits and/or drawbacks is important. We also don't know what your opinion is.
Economic:-8.12 Social:-7.59 Moral Rules:5 Moral Order:-5
Muravyets: Maineiacs, you are brilliant, too! I stand in delighted awe.
Sane Outcasts:When your best case scenario is five kilometers of nuclear contamination, you know someone fucked up.
Geniasis: Christian values are incompatible with Conservative ideals. I cannot both follow the teachings of Christ and be a Republican. Therefore, I choose to not be a Republican.
Galloism: If someone will build a wall around Donald Trump, I'll pay for it.
Bottle tells it like it is
add 6,928 to post count

User avatar
The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
Posts: 35483
Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:56 am

NewFrance wrote:Will you privilege the question of authoritarianism instead of the ecological question for instance.

An environmentalist dictatorship, now that would be an interesting thread premise...
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
Tinhampton
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13701
Founded: Oct 05, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Tinhampton » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:59 am

Erm... "authoritarianism" as you put it is either being quietly stamped out across the world or you're China PR (most of the time, we have very little to worry about from dictatorial maniacs). If you're talking about nations on NS, that's your individual preference and I'm not going to try and change it.
The Self-Administrative City of TINHAMPTON (pop. 329,537): Saffron Howard, Mayor (UCP); Alexander Smith, WA Delegate-Ambassador

Authorships & co-authorships: SC#250, SC#251, Issue #1115, SC#267, GA#484, GA#491, GA#533, GA#540, GA#549, SC#356, GA#559, GA#562, GA#567, GA#578, SC#374, GA#582, SC#375, GA#589, GA#590, SC#382, SC#385*, GA#597, GA#607, SC#415, GA#647, GA#656, GA#664, GA#671, GA#674, GA#675, GA#677, GA#680, Issue #1580, GA#682, GA#683, GA#684, GA#692, GA#693, GA#715
The rest of my CV: Cup of Harmony 73 champions; Philosopher-Queen of Sophia; *author of the most popular SC Res. ever; anti-NPO cabalist in good standing; 48yo Tory woman w/Asperger's; Cambridge graduate ~ currently reading The World by Simon Sebag Montefiore

User avatar
Page
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17485
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Page » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:00 am

Authoritarianism is the greatest threat. It is a much more serious threat than any specific ideology, like fascism or communism, because almost any ideology will accept their own version of authoritarianism.

I believe that freedom dies in small increments. If the government wanted to put microchips under your skin, surveillance cameras in your home, and tell you what you're allowed to eat and when, people would rise up. But when freedom is taken away in small increments, people adjust easily to the new normal. A dystopia like 1984 is entirely plausible, it's just not possible for it to happen overnight. But it can happen, one step at a time.
Anarcho-Communist Against: Bolsheviks, Fascists, TERFs, Putin, Autocrats, Conservatives, Ancaps, Bourgeoisie, Bigots, Liberals, Maoists

I don't believe in kink-shaming unless your kink is submitting to the state.

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 163895
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Iron Fist Socialists

Postby Ifreann » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:07 am

The New California Republic wrote:
NewFrance wrote:Will you privilege the question of authoritarianism instead of the ecological question for instance.

An environmentalist dictatorship, now that would be an interesting thread premise...

Recycle or gulag.
He/Him

beating the devil
we never run from the devil
we never summon the devil
we never hide from from the devil
we never

User avatar
Heloin
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 26091
Founded: Mar 30, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Heloin » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:28 am

Five votes for 5. All is well.

NewFrance wrote:Authoritarianism, important or useless topic ?

A topic about authoritarianism wouldn't go amiss. This isn't one though.
Last edited by Heloin on Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:29 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Shaggtopia
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 404
Founded: Dec 22, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Shaggtopia » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:35 am

The poll makes no sense, authoritarianism as a subject is important in so much as explaining why Nazi's are bad is important. I don't have to agree with something to find it important, knowing your enemy is key when attempting to defeat them.
From the Desk of The Speaker
Loyal Face of The Grand Nobody
John LeGrand III
Shaggtopia, Apathy

User avatar
Kohr
Minister
 
Posts: 3231
Founded: Aug 24, 2015
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Kohr » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:37 am

The New California Republic wrote:
NewFrance wrote:Will you privilege the question of authoritarianism instead of the ecological question for instance.

An environmentalist dictatorship, now that would be an interesting thread premise...

Oh, you mean like mine?

User avatar
United Muscovite Nations
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 25657
Founded: Feb 01, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:46 am

It's an important topic to study, because so many people get it so hilariously wrong that we end up totally misjudging authoritarian leaders.
Grumpy Grandpa of the LWDT and RWDT
Kantian with panentheist and Christian beliefs. Rawlsian Socialist. Just completed studies in History and International Relations. Asexual with sex-revulsion.
The world is grey, the mountains old, the forges fire is ashen cold. No harp is wrung, no hammer falls, the darkness dwells in Durin's halls...
Formerly United Marxist Nations, Dec 02, 2011- Feb 01, 2017. +33,837 posts
Borderline Personality Disorder, currently in treatment. I apologize if I blow up at you. TG me for info, can't discuss publicly because the mods support stigma on mental illness.

User avatar
Erdogan in cool sunglasses
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 366
Founded: Apr 13, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Erdogan in cool sunglasses » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:17 am

Authoritarianism has it's disadvantages and advantages. First of all not all authoritarian leaders are obsessive dictators with no affiliation to human rights. Take for example Piłsudski or Atatürk. They were both typical authoritarian leaders and built their countries literally from the ashes. They were beloved because of that by majority of their nations citizens and... To certain degree that what they created would be impossible in fully democratic country. Because authoritarianism allows the government to focus on long-term projects which are impossible in democracy in which the cheap effect after four years is the most important.

On the other hand authoritarian rule can easily evolve into totalitarian regime. In these case all advantages are obviously non-existent.
Erdoğan is life, Erdoğan is love. He carries an Olive Branch to neighboring countries.

User avatar
The Holy Therns
Post Czar
 
Posts: 30591
Founded: Jul 09, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby The Holy Therns » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:29 am

Well that's a rather vague idea for a poll, isn't it? Clearly there should be a strong, central authority for what does or does not constitute a reasonable poll.
Platitude with attitude
Your new favorite.
MTF transperson. She/her. Lives in Sweden.
Also, N A N A ! ! !
Gallade wrote:Love, cake, wine and banter. No greater meaning to life (〜^∇^)〜

Ethel mermania wrote:to therns is to transend the pettiness of the field of play into the field of dreams.

User avatar
Frisbeeteria
Senior Game Moderator
 
Posts: 27796
Founded: Dec 16, 2003
Capitalizt

Postby Frisbeeteria » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:36 am

Maineiacs wrote:
NewFrance wrote:I've edited my question, i hope it's clear now.

No, it's not more clear. We still don't know whether you're asking if we're opposed to/ supporting it, or if you're asking whether we think just discussing and debating its merits and/or drawbacks is important. We also don't know what your opinion is.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=88796


Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Dapant, El Lazaro, Floofybit, Hidrandia, Ifreann, Plan Neonie, The Jay Republic, Welskerland

Advertisement

Remove ads