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Is Republic of Moldova belonging to Romania or not ?

Postby Democratic Empire of Romania » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:59 am

This topic is hotly debated throughtout Romania and Moldova. Is the country of Republic of Moldova rightfully Romanian or not ?

In my opinion, it is.

First of all, Moldova was inhabited by Romanians since their formation. Even now 75 % of the inhabitants are Romanian. Also, in 1918, when Bessarabia left Russia and joined Romania, neary every member of its ruling council, the State Council, voted for joining Romania.

In 1991, the Declaration of Independence states that the official language of Moldova is Romanian and its anthem was until 1995 the same as Romania's. And a name to be adopted in 1991 by the former Moldovan SSR was 'Romanian Republic of Moldova'.

And why it didn't happen ? Why aren't these 2 countries with the same people, same religion, same language, united ? Because of Russian influence in there.

So, NSG, shall Moldova be a part of Romania or not ?
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:02 am

Last I checked support for unification hasn't been that strong in Moldova. So no.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:03 am

Whatever the people living there decide.

Also 75% of the population are Moldovans, not Romanians according to wikipedia's article on it.

It should not be arbitrarily forced to join another country.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:04 am

Nope. It was part of Moldavia from about 1343 to 1859. It is also a member state of the United Nations. It is its own country, any hypothetical claims that Romania had over Moldova would be entirely spurious.
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Postby Democratic Empire of Romania » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:05 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Whatever the people living there decide.

Also 75% of the population are Moldovans, not Romanians according to wikipedia's article on it.

It should not be arbitrarily forced to join another country.

Ckeck the date of that poll however. They are influenced by the ruling party, with most of them being pro-Russian. DNA studies show no evidence of a separate Moldovan ethnicity.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:05 am

Moldova, much like Western Ukraine, is rightfully Polish.
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Postby Chan Island » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:06 am

Probably a similar story to Austria and Germany going on there. As in, sure they are similar culturally and linguistically, but do they wish to join up? Ultimately that will be up to the Romanians and the Moldovans to decide (I'm not too interested either way on the topic).
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Postby Democratic Empire of Romania » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:06 am

Proctopeo wrote:Moldova, much like Western Ukraine, is rightfully Polish.

Is this a joke, right ?
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Postby Chan Island » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:07 am

Proctopeo wrote:Moldova, much like Western Ukraine, is rightfully Polish.


And then the winged hussars arrived?
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:08 am

Chan Island wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Moldova, much like Western Ukraine, is rightfully Polish.


And then the winged hussars arrived?

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Postby New Excalibus » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:08 am

No, not at all.
Just because the population happens to have a lot of ethnic Romanians in it doesn't mean it's a part of Romania.
If we apply that logic, then Austria would belong to Germany.
They would only be part of Romania if they allowed Romania to annex them, which is highly unlikely.
Why did you even make this thread? This is like asking, "Is water wet?"
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:15 am

Democratic Empire of Romania wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Whatever the people living there decide.

Also 75% of the population are Moldovans, not Romanians according to wikipedia's article on it.

It should not be arbitrarily forced to join another country.

Ckeck the date of that poll however. They are influenced by the ruling party, with most of them being pro-Russian. DNA studies show no evidence of a separate Moldovan ethnicity.

Doesnt matter if they are not a separate ethnicity or not, if they have a separate national identity and want to remain an independent nation then that is how it is going to be.
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Postby Page » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:20 am

Democratic Empire of Romania wrote:This topic is hotly debated throughtout Romania and Moldova. Is the country of Republic of Moldova rightfully Romanian or not ?

In my opinion, it is.

First of all, Moldova was inhabited by Romanians since their formation. Even now 75 % of the inhabitants are Romanian. Also, in 1918, when Bessarabia left Russia and joined Romania, neary every member of its ruling council, the State Council, voted for joining Romania.

In 1991, the Declaration of Independence states that the official language of Moldova is Romanian and its anthem was until 1995 the same as Romania's. And a name to be adopted in 1991 by the former Moldovan SSR was 'Romanian Republic of Moldova'.

And why it didn't happen ? Why aren't these 2 countries with the same people, same religion, same language, united ? Because of Russian influence in there.

So, NSG, shall Moldova be a part of Romania or not ?


Sharing an ethnicity, language, and culture isn't enough for one country to lay claim to another. Few would say that Austria rightfully belongs to Germany.

If the Moldovan people wanted to hold a referendum and voted to reunite with Romania, then that would be fine. But a country absorbing another country without the peoples' consent is an act of hostility.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:23 am

Page wrote:If the Moldovan people wanted to hold a referendum and voted to reunite with Romania, then that would be fine. But a country absorbing another country without the peoples' consent is an act of hostility.

Judging by the latest polling, it'd be a complete rout for the pro-unification side, "rekt" doesn't even begin to cover it...
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Postby Collatis » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:53 am

Moldova belongs to the people who live there. The partially artificial origin of the Moldovan identity does not negate the right to self-determination of those who identify as Moldovan.
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Postby The Transhuman Union » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:00 am

Moldova should belong to Russia.


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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:05 am

Democratic Empire of Romania wrote:This topic is hotly debated throughtout Romania and Moldova. Is the country of Republic of Moldova rightfully Romanian or not ?

In my opinion, it is.

No big surprise from somebody with that name. I beg to differ - it just so happens to be a sovereign country... 8)
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Postby Estanglia » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:41 am

No, unless Moldova holds a vote on the issue and a majority of Moldovans decides to join Romania.
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Proctopeo wrote:Moldova, much like Western Ukraine, is rightfully Polish.

We should have reformed the Polish-Lithuania Commonwealth after WW1 to combat German and Russian power.
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Sovaal wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Moldova, much like Western Ukraine, is rightfully Polish.

We should have reformed the Polish-Lithuania Commonwealth after WW1 to combat German and Russian power.

We should have kept the Austro-Hungarian empire in control
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:04 pm

Proctopeo wrote:Moldova, much like Western Ukraine, is rightfully Polish.

Agreed
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Sovaal wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Moldova, much like Western Ukraine, is rightfully Polish.

We should have reformed the Polish-Lithuania Commonwealth after WW1 to combat German and Russian power.

After WWI we should have broken up Germany into a bunch of small puppet states. With the Prussian state being a Polish puppet. France should have had direct control of Rhineland and made Hamburg and Bavaria their puppets
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Thermodolia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:We should have reformed the Polish-Lithuania Commonwealth after WW1 to combat German and Russian power.

After WWI we should have broken up Germany into a bunch of small puppet states. With the Prussian state being a Polish puppet. France should have had direct control of Rhineland and made Hamburg and Bavaria their puppets

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