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Postby Phoenicaea » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:56 am

@California Republic, i appreciate the discussion and i don t wish to seem brute.

the bridge *hasn t collapsed because of the wind and rain, as you will hear later, by the way. not your fault, me too i could get confused if i wasn t living in italy.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:01 am

Phoenicaea wrote:@California Republic, i appreciate the discussion and i don t wish to seem brute.

the bridge isn t collapsed because of the wind and rain, as you will hear later, by the way. not your fault, me too i could get confused if i wasn t living in italy.

There was a lightning strike on the bridge according to witnesses. So it does look weather-related after all.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:12 am

The death toll is now 30 according to the BBC.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:12 am

San Lumen wrote:The death toll is now 30 according to the BBC.


OH MY GOD!

It's even worse then I thought.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:15 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The death toll is now 30 according to the BBC.


OH MY GOD!

It's even worse then I thought.


Its horrible but if your truly going to let something like this affect your ability to eat then I have serious questions about the veracity of what you post.

Things like this happen. This is not the first bridge to collapse nor will it be the last.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:16 am

San Lumen wrote:
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OH MY GOD!

It's even worse then I thought.


Its horrible but if your truly going to let something like this affect your ability to eat then I have serious questions about the veracity of what you post.

Things like this happen. This is not the first bridge to collapse nor will it be the last.


Its going to affect my ability to sleep too. Which is VERY unfortunate...

what a tragedy
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Postby Puldania » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:19 am

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Puldania wrote:Not even poor building, but structures should be able to withstand a bit of rain.

downburst
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a strong downward current of air from a cumulonimbus cloud, which is usually accompanied by intense rain or a thunderstorm.

This isn't exactly a bit of rain and is closer to hurricane-force winds.

I mean, here in florida, we have skyscrapers and construction sites withstand actual cat 4-5 hurricanes.
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Postby Puldania » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:19 am

San Lumen wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
OH MY GOD!

It's even worse then I thought.


Its horrible but if your truly going to let something like this affect your ability to eat then I have serious questions about the veracity of what you post.

Things like this happen. This is not the first bridge to collapse nor will it be the last.

You realize they're being sarcastic, right?
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:20 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Its horrible but if your truly going to let something like this affect your ability to eat then I have serious questions about the veracity of what you post.


Its going to affect my ability to sleep too. Which is VERY unfortunate...

...how? Did you know someone that was killed...?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:22 am

Puldania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Its horrible but if your truly going to let something like this affect your ability to eat then I have serious questions about the veracity of what you post.

Things like this happen. This is not the first bridge to collapse nor will it be the last.

You realize they're being sarcastic, right?


No I'm being entirely serious. This is a real tragedy.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:22 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Its going to affect my ability to sleep too. Which is VERY unfortunate...

...how? Did you know someone that was killed...?


I don't. I mean if I did, I'd probably have posted this before San Lumen did. =(

Still sad though

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:29 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:...how? Did you know someone that was killed...?


I don't. I mean if I did, I'd probably have posted this before San Lumen did. =(

Still sad though

I just don't understand how this can be affecting you on such a level as this. People die all the time, in various circumstances. I don't see how you can bear to read the news every day.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:37 am

Phoenicaea wrote:@California Republic.. yes..what i was saying it is this: which kind of. an equatorial storm where, in the virgin rainforest it may be..and then..

how do you title of bridge collapsed because of rain. this is indicative of the accuracy (and even logic) of the news, nowadays


What are you suggesting the bridge collapsed from?
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:39 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Phoenicaea wrote:@California Republic.. yes..what i was saying it is this: which kind of. an equatorial storm where, in the virgin rainforest it may be..and then..

how do you title of bridge collapsed because of rain. this is indicative of the accuracy (and even logic) of the news, nowadays


What are you suggesting the bridge collapsed from?

They are refusing to say. Maybe they think that someone looked at it funny.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:54 am

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Grater Tovakia wrote:For a nation that has had some bad earthquakes, you would think they would modernize the bridges and tunnels to withstand more than a lot of rain? Forgive me for my ignorance I am not a bridge engineer.

I'm not sure their economy allows them to do that. I might be wrong about that though.

Considering how that very bridge was undergoing extraordinary maintenance works, on top of the ordinary maintenance, you might be quite wrong.

Some sources blame poor techniques during construction (back in the '60s), excessive number of extraordinary loads (>40 t) being allowed on that motorway, and some claim a lightning struck the base of the pylon leading it to crumble. Also there's a political shitstorm evolving as M5S some years ago blocked the project for a new motorway around Genoa, which would have led to this one being closed, claiming that the idea that the bridge could collapse was a "fairytale".
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Postby Dogmeat » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:55 am

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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:55 am

The only way it can be worse is if it's the result of construction fraud, say during the Berlusconi era.
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Postby Dogmeat » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:02 am

Petrasylvania wrote:The only way it can be worse is if it's the result of construction fraud, say during the Berlusconi era.

We'll just have to wait and see. Most of the, if the bridge doesn't collapse immediately upon being completed, it's a result of improper maintenance rather than faulty construction. This one was completed in 1967, so that's probably the case here.

Although it looks like stocks of the company responsible for maintaining the bridge, Atlantia SpA, are already crashing in anticipation of fault.
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:19 am

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I’ve always been ideologically opposed to bridges collapsing.

I dunno, bridges encourage the passage between areas that God did not intend for people to cross over into. I say we collapse them all!
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:24 am

Sovaal wrote:
Galloism wrote:
I’ve always been ideologically opposed to bridges collapsing.

I dunno, bridges encourage the passage between areas that God did not intend for people to cross over into. I say we collapse them all!

Eek...
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Postby Risottia » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:38 am

Petrasylvania wrote:The only way it can be worse is if it's the result of construction fraud, say during the Berlusconi era.

Unlikely, as it was built when Berlusconi was still a generic son of a banker, and the Christian Democrats reigned supreme.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:48 am

ANSA says 35 dead. (updated at 18.25 CEST).
Further collapses feared, lead to evacuation of more people in nearby areas.

http://www.ansa.it/liguria/notizie/2018 ... e11bc.html
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Postby Chan Island » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:50 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audi ... -on-camera

A video of the collapse^.

It's terrible and very sad. May those 30 victims rest in peace. And may Italy in future make sure no more bridges collapse. I think I speak for all of us in NSG, left, right, fascist or communist, when I say that bridges collapsing is a very bad thing.

Petrasylvania wrote:The only way it can be worse is if it's the result of construction fraud, say during the Berlusconi era.


It was built in the 1960s, so before Berlusconi became a politician.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:52 am

Chan Island wrote:I think I speak for all of us in NSG, left, right, fascist or communist, when I say that bridges collapsing is a very bad thing.

I dunno. I'd hazard a guess that there is someone hiding in the depths of NSGeneral that would consider it a good thing.
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Postby Chan Island » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:54 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Chan Island wrote:I think I speak for all of us in NSG, left, right, fascist or communist, when I say that bridges collapsing is a very bad thing.

I dunno. I'd hazard a guess that there is someone hiding in the depths of NSGeneral that would consider it a good thing.


Until such time as KillAllHumansTopia makes their presence known, I'll pretend like I've spoken for everyone there. :blush:
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