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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:11 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45183624

The Morandi Bridge in Genoa Italy has collapsed following a rainstorm with at least 30 dead and possibly dozens more. The bridge collapsed into the stream below and unto a railway and several warehouses. The exact cause is unknown at this time but its believed to be weather related possible due to a lightning strike and violent cloudburst. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and that a exact cause can be determined soon so this doesnt happen again.

Your thoughts NSG?
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Postby Galloism » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:13 am

San Lumen wrote:
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I’ve always been ideologically opposed to bridges collapsing.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:14 am

Galloism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
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I’ve always been ideologically opposed to bridges collapsing.

I think the majority of us have, unless that bridge looked at me funny
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Postby Puldania » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:14 am

San Lumen wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45183624

The Morandi Bridge in Genoa Italy has collapsed following a rainstorm with at 11 dead and possibly dozens more. The bridge collapsed into the stream below and unto a railway and several warehouses. The exact cause is unknown at this time but its believed to be weather related possible due to a lightning strike and violent cloudburst. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and that a exact cause can be determined soon so this doesnt happen again.

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Legislation to increase routine inspections of structures in Italy.
Further legislation to allocate more money towards restoration and maintenance of older structures.

Really just making sure people actually take care of bridges and the like.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:18 am

It's a very high bridge, which has meant that being in a vehicle on the bridge was instant death. Thousands of tons of concrete battering you about all over the place isn't likely to help survivability either.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:18 am

Puldania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45183624

The Morandi Bridge in Genoa Italy has collapsed following a rainstorm with at 11 dead and possibly dozens more. The bridge collapsed into the stream below and unto a railway and several warehouses. The exact cause is unknown at this time but its believed to be weather related possible due to a lightning strike and violent cloudburst. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and that a exact cause can be determined soon so this doesnt happen again.

Your thoughts NSG?

Legislation to increase routine inspections of structures in Italy.
Further legislation to allocate more money towards restoration and maintenance of older structures.

Really just making sure people actually take care of bridges and the like.

Depending on the strength of the downburst, it may have had nothing to do with poor building, those things can get plenty powerful to destroy buildings and the like.
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Postby Puldania » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:22 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Puldania wrote:Legislation to increase routine inspections of structures in Italy.
Further legislation to allocate more money towards restoration and maintenance of older structures.

Really just making sure people actually take care of bridges and the like.

Depending on the strength of the downburst, it may have had nothing to do with poor building, those things can get plenty powerful to destroy buildings and the like.

Not even poor building, but structures should be able to withstand a bit of rain.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:22 am

Puldania wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Depending on the strength of the downburst, it may have had nothing to do with poor building, those things can get plenty powerful to destroy buildings and the like.

Not even poor building, but structures should be able to withstand a bit of rain.

Downbursts can be very powerful and sometimes even the strongest built structures can be damaged.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:23 am

The death toll is now 22 according to CBS news.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:29 am

San Lumen wrote:
Puldania wrote:Not even poor building, but structures should be able to withstand a bit of rain.

Downbursts can be very powerful and sometimes even the strongest built structures can be damaged.

I have seen steel-reinforced concrete structures being brushed aside by nature as if they were made of balsa wood, all buildings and structures have a breaking point.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:45 am

Puldania wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Depending on the strength of the downburst, it may have had nothing to do with poor building, those things can get plenty powerful to destroy buildings and the like.

Not even poor building, but structures should be able to withstand a bit of rain.

A downburst isn't "a bit of rain", it's a hurricane force wind coming down from above.
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:47 am

Puldania wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Depending on the strength of the downburst, it may have had nothing to do with poor building, those things can get plenty powerful to destroy buildings and the like.

Not even poor building, but structures should be able to withstand a bit of rain.

downburst
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a strong downward current of air from a cumulonimbus cloud, which is usually accompanied by intense rain or a thunderstorm.

This isn't exactly a bit of rain and is closer to hurricane-force winds.

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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:01 am

San Lumen wrote:
Puldania wrote:Not even poor building, but structures should be able to withstand a bit of rain.

Downbursts can be very powerful and sometimes even the strongest built structures can be damaged.

Damaged sure. Complete structural failure? No. Bridges can, and are in some regions, built to withstand far more. This was a 60~ year old bridge likely built with US post war financing quickly to get the Italian economy back up and running. Poor quality building and maintenance is entirely plausable as a major factor as to it's collapse.
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Postby Grater Tovakia » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:04 am

For a nation that has had some bad earthquakes, you would think they would modernize the bridges and tunnels to withstand more than a lot of rain? Forgive me for my ignorance I am not a bridge engineer.
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:05 am

I'd like to emphasize "plausable" as I do not know one way or another. I just don't think we should totally disregard anything except the power of mother nature.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:06 am

San Lumen wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45183624

The Morandi Bridge in Genoa Italy has collapsed following a rainstorm with at 11 dead and possibly dozens more. The bridge collapsed into the stream below and unto a railway and several warehouses. The exact cause is unknown at this time but its believed to be weather related possible due to a lightning strike and violent cloudburst. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and that a exact cause can be determined soon so this doesnt happen again.

Your thoughts NSG?


I’m going to cry. This makes me so sad. These people died for nothing. I don’t think I can eat any more (least for today). Anyone else really shaken? People should have every right to feel safe on bridges.

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Postby Mzeusia » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:07 am

Grater Tovakia wrote:For a nation that has had some bad earthquakes, you would think they would modernize the bridges and tunnels to withstand more than a lot of rain? Forgive me for my ignorance I am not a bridge engineer.

I'm not sure their economy allows them to do that. I might be wrong about that though.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:21 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:I don’t think I can eat any more (least for today). Anyone else really shaken?

Call me cold, but no. Incidents like this happen on an almost daily basis, letting them affect one's life to such an extent would render one non-functional. Best to acknowledge it happened and move on.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:32 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I don’t think I can eat any more (least for today). Anyone else really shaken?

Call me cold, but no. Incidents like this happen on an almost daily basis, letting them affect one's life to such an extent would render one non-functional. Best to acknowledge it happened and move on.


It’s so sad though

These 11+ people shall feel, dream and enjoy no more :(
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Postby Aellex » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:35 am

Saw that on the news. My condolences to the victims and their families.
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Postby Phoenicaea » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:44 am

the thing that.. some well known and quite respected brand of foreign news titled of bridge collapse "because of" wheather.

(i don t know..do you know about bridges collapsing because of rain..), it is educational for who lives here, and for me of sure.

even if you don t live here and beeing a tv news brand and haven t got a office in the country for confirm, i see you say it because you heard it, as hurryed as possible, and hope it was true.

then, the logic behind it.. bridge collapsing because of a storm? and where.. which storm.. so the news broadcasted, it isn t just they are not checked; there is no one who even read them before saying them.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:47 am

Phoenicaea wrote:the thing that.. some well known and quite respected brand of foreign news titled of bridge collapse "because of" wheather
(i don t know..do you know about bridges collapsing because of rain..), it is educational for who lives here, and for me of sure.

even if you don t live here and beeing a tv news brand and haven t got a office in the country for confirm, i see you say it because you heard it, as hurryed as possible, and hope it was true.

then, the logic behind it.. bridge collapsing because of a storm? and where.. which storm.. so the news broadcasted, it isn t just they are not checked; there is no one who read them before saying them.

The weather can bring bridges down, contrary to your assertion.
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Postby Phoenicaea » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:50 am

@California Republic.. yes..what i was saying it is this: which kind of. an equatorial storm where, in the virgin rainforest it may be..and then..

how do you title of bridge collapsed because of rain. this is indicative of the accuracy (and even logic) of the news, nowadays
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Postby The Holy Therns » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:50 am

Goodness, that's awful.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:53 am

Phoenicaea wrote:@California Republic.. yes..what i was saying it is this: which kind of. an equatorial storm where, in the virgin rainforest coulb be..and then.. unless you know about an unusual storm in northern italy at that time,

how do you title of bridge collapsed because of rain. this is indicative of the acciracy of news nowadays

It wasn't the rain alone that caused it to collapse, it was the wind, as far as I can gather.

And heavy storms are actually more common in Europe than you think, they frequently bring trees down, damage buildings, and cause widespread flooding.
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