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[Vassenor]

But them hating the west less and potentially not doing it at all is bad for the narrative.

The West has been spending a lot on welfare on you and yet you're still hating it. Why should we expect people who might actually have reasons to justify that distaste to change their opinion after pouring money on them when you yourself didn't?

Oh, how do I hate the west today?

[Aellex]

Oh, how do I hate the west today?

You mean apart from spitting on it constantly, not appreciating what it gives to you and defending constantly it's enemies?
I mean, you've never particularly hidden how much you loath it, so, who exactly do you expect to fool?

[Big Jim P]

How about Oyver Easy?

Or an oymelette.

...we're going to hell.

I can confirm this. Got the call just a few moments ago. Y'alls suites are waiting.

[Vassenor]

Oh, how do I hate the west today?

You mean apart from spitting on it constantly, not appreciating what it gives to you and defending constantly it's enemies?
I mean, you've never particularly hidden how much you loath it, so, who exactly do you expect to fool?

So I hate the west because I don't march in lockstep with your personal positions and biases. Got it.

[Aellex]

So I hate the west because I don't march in lockstep with your personal positions and biases. Got it.

More like you hate the West because your personal positions and biases are all about loathing it, rather.

[Valrifell]

So I hate the west because I don't march in lockstep with your personal positions and biases. Got it.

More like you hate the West because your personal positions and biases are all about loathing it, rather.

The West as any kind of cohesive identity outside of a few underlying broad ideals is completely fucking stupid.

[Ifreann]

More like you hate the West because your personal positions and biases are all about loathing it, rather.

The West as any kind of cohesive identity outside of a few underlying broad ideals is completely fucking stupid.

I'd link to the relevant Contra video, but it opens with her (barely) dressed as a fairy so I don't think many people would watch more than a few minutes through.

[The Cosmic Frankish Empire]

More like you hate the West because your personal positions and biases are all about loathing it, rather.

The West as any kind of cohesive identity outside of a few underlying broad ideals is completely fucking stupid.

I hope people keep thinking like this so the west fragments and collapses as an entity even faster, you're based and accelerationist as fuck, keep it up dude

[Valrifell]

The West as any kind of cohesive identity outside of a few underlying broad ideals is completely fucking stupid.

I hope people keep thinking like this so the west fragments and collapses as an entity even faster, you're based and accelerationist as fuck, keep it up dude

They literally share nothing except a vague relationship with greco-roman philosophy and government structure. There's no linguistic history or commonality, same for religion, same for cultural practices, same for politics.

"The West" does not and has never really existed. I mean, there's never a consistent list of countries in that category. All of Latin America is excluded for reasons, despite having about as much in common with the West as members of the West share with each other.

[Petrasylvania]

I hope people keep thinking like this so the west fragments and collapses as an entity even faster, you're based and accelerationist as fuck, keep it up dude

They literally share nothing except a vague relationship with greco-roman philosophy and government structure. There's no linguistic history or commonality, same for religion, same for cultural practices, same for politics.

"The West" does not and has never really existed. I mean, there's never a consistent list of countries in that category. All of Latin America is excluded for reasons, despite having about as much in common with the West as members of the West share with each other.

"The West" is a popular slang for "White Judeo-Christian" especially against the context of "Darkie Dirty Muslim".

[Proctopeo]

They literally share nothing except a vague relationship with greco-roman philosophy and government structure. There's no linguistic history or commonality, same for religion, same for cultural practices, same for politics.

"The West" does not and has never really existed. I mean, there's never a consistent list of countries in that category. All of Latin America is excluded for reasons, despite having about as much in common with the West as members of the West share with each other.

"The West" is a popular slang for "White Judeo-Christian" especially against the context of "Darkie Dirty Muslim".

Given what are often considered "western values", I don't think this is a statement you want to make.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

"The West" is a popular slang for "White Judeo-Christian" especially against the context of "Darkie Dirty Muslim".

Given what are often considered "western values", I don't think this is a statement you want to make.

What are western values?

Democracy? Not if you're in Poland. Freedom of the press? Not under President Trump. No racism? Yeah, that is something that the Rise of the Right showed. Respect for LGTB? 20 years ago, they could not marry in most of the world, but the whole western world acts as if we have been tolerant for ages. Freedom as a whole? Not in Hungary, and present in South America and many Asian countries as well.

The west is an antiquated idea from the Cold War, which does not hold up to any form of scrutiny. What ideas are typically western?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

They literally share nothing except a vague relationship with greco-roman philosophy and government structure. There's no linguistic history or commonality, same for religion, same for cultural practices, same for politics.

"The West" does not and has never really existed. I mean, there's never a consistent list of countries in that category. All of Latin America is excluded for reasons, despite having about as much in common with the West as members of the West share with each other.

"The West" is a popular slang for "White Judeo-Christian" especially against the context of "Darkie Dirty Muslim".

And even the term Judeo-Christian was added after the Second World War, as if the West is some kind of ancient ally of the Jews. Europe has consistently persecuted Jews over centuries, but then they became a casus belli against the Muslims, and voila, suddenly all our values are somehow 'Judeo-Christian'.

[Proctopeo]

Given what are often considered "western values", I don't think this is a statement you want to make.

What are western values?

Democracy? Not if you're in Poland.

Poland seems to still be a democracy, if not a corrupt one, regardless what sensationalist headlines say.

Freedom of the press? Not under President Trump.

Hahahahahahahaha.
I don't have a reason to take you seriously after this, but I'll hold out a little longer in case you have something of merit.

No racism? Yeah, that is something that the Rise of the Right showed.

Yes, a couple dozen angry dudes with tiki torches are a threat.

Respect for LGTB? 20 years ago, they could not marry in most of the world, but the whole western world acts as if we have been tolerant for ages.

Many parts of the world that aren't the west were, and still are, extremely hostile to the existence of the GLBT. The fact that the West only recently extended marriage rights doesn't change that GLBT rights in the west were superior to most of the world for quite a while.

Freedom as a whole? Not in Hungary, and present in South America and many Asian countries as well.

Hungary seems to be pretty free, not the Eritrea-level authoritarian hellhole you seem to be implying it is. And yes, other parts of the world have freedom, in no small part due to Western influence.

The west is an antiquated idea from the Cold War, which does not hold up to any form of scrutiny. What ideas are typically western?

Like... three-quarters of the things you listed without actually good reasons as to why they don't "hold up". Just exaggerations and sensationalist headlines.

"The West" is a popular slang for "White Judeo-Christian" especially against the context of "Darkie Dirty Muslim".

And even the term Judeo-Christian was added after the Second World War, as if the West is some kind of ancient ally of the Jews. Europe has consistently persecuted Jews over centuries, but then they became a casus belli against the Muslims, and voila, suddenly all our values are somehow 'Judeo-Christian'.

I'd imagine that after one large-scale horrific genocide, we want to stop it from happening again.

[Aellex]

The West as any kind of cohesive identity outside of a few underlying broad ideals is completely fucking stupid.

>mfw a concept that has started to form since the third century and has been recognised and talked upon by people who're part of it since the eight's one is "not cohesive" and acknowledging it's existence is "completely fucking stupid"
Ah, yes, yes, I forgot, whiteys can't have a culture, even less a cultural group.

I mean, it's your right than to be wrong but at least don't be so brazen about it for your own good.

[Tobleste]

The West as any kind of cohesive identity outside of a few underlying broad ideals is completely fucking stupid.

>mfw a concept that has started to form since the third century and has been recognised and talked upon by people who're part of it since the eight's one is "not cohesive" and acknowledging it's existence is "completely fucking stupid"
Ah, yes, yes, I forgot, whiteys can't have a culture, even less a cultural group.

I mean, it's your right than to be wrong but at least don't be so brazen about it for your own good.

There's a difference between the west and majority white nations. I'd say Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea and possibly South Africa are Western while Belarus and Russia aren't and never have been.

That said, the idea of 'the west' is increasingly antiquated especially given that some of the people who talk about it a lot (far right parties) don't care about its basic values (e.g. democracy, human rights).

[Valrifell]

The West as any kind of cohesive identity outside of a few underlying broad ideals is completely fucking stupid.

>mfw a concept that has started to form since the third century and has been recognised and talked upon by people who're part of it since the eight's one is "not cohesive" and acknowledging it's existence is "completely fucking stupid"
Ah, yes, yes, I forgot, whiteys can't have a culture, even less a cultural group.

I mean, it's your right than to be wrong but at least don't be so brazen about it for your own good.

Black people dont have a cohesive culture, asians dont have a cohesive culture, aboriginals dont have a cohesive culture, why the fuck do you think whity gets a cohesive culture?

The view equating race to culture is reductive to the extreme, the history abd practices of the Latins is extremely different from that of Finno-Ugrians just like the history and practices of the Chinese is extremely different from the practices of the Polynesians.

[Great Minarchistan]

Daily reminder that Trump will likely attempt reelection during a recession in 2020, although the current state of affairs is probably enough to grant a severe weakening of the blue wave for midterms.

[Tobleste]

Daily reminder that Trump will likely attempt reelection during a recession in 2020, although the current state of affairs is probably enough to grant a severe weakening of the blue wave for midterms.

I would be surprised if there was a recession by 2020. More likely growth just slows imo. As for the midterms, maybe the current projections for a blue wave already include the benefit trump will get from the economy and if Trump was presiding over a recession, that wave would be a tsunami.

[Aellex]

There's a difference between the west and majority white nations. I'd say Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea and possibly South Africa are Western while Belarus and Russia aren't and never have been.

That said, the idea of 'the west' is increasingly antiquated especially given that some of the people who talk about it a lot (far right parties) don't care about its basic values (e.g. democracy, human rights).

Hééééééééé, Japan is its own thing, Hong Kong and South Korea have been influenced and South Africa is indeed Western by virtue of Colonisation like North America is.
And democracy and human rights pushed to their maximum never were Western Ideas, it's only a recent fad that has indeed originated in the West but isn't actually tied to it.

[Great Minarchistan]

Daily reminder that Trump will likely attempt reelection during a recession in 2020, although the current state of affairs is probably enough to grant a severe weakening of the blue wave for midterms.

I would be surprised if there was a recession by 2020. More likely growth just slows imo. As for the midterms, maybe the current projections for a blue wave already include the benefit trump will get from the economy and if Trump was presiding over a recession, that wave would be a tsunami.

Environment's too risky to call for a slowdown only, especially in the US where the job market is hasty to fire people when the business cycles turns south

[Corrian]

Truth isn't truth my friends.

[Petrasylvania]

Truth isn't truth my friends.

Welsey Snipes missed Rudy.

[Ifreann]

Truth isn't truth my friends.

I'm just waiting for Giuliani to defend Trump by asserting that individuality is an illusion, we are all one energy, and therefore there is no "Donald Trump" to be guilty of anything.

[Petrasylvania]

Truth isn't truth my friends.

I'm just waiting for Giuliani to defend Trump by asserting that individuality is an illusion, we are all one energy, and therefore there is no "Donald Trump" to be guilty of anything.

We're really in the Matrix.