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Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:44 am**

Luminesa wrote:
Liriena wrote:Lmao so the old fat cunt in the White House openly supported political violence against people he disagrees with during his Montana rally. Can't wait for the right-wing free speech anti-antifa warriors to bash him for it.

While Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton both said that Democrats can’t be civil with Republicans anymore, and the former specifically called for people to beat-up Republicans in the street. Both sides are calling for violence and it’s frightening, yes. But I don’t see you calling Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton “fat ****’s”. What Trump is doing is bad, so apply this metric to both sides doing the wrong thing maybe?

Did Harris really call for violence? Iirc, Maxine Waters called for republican politicians to be confronted and told "they're not welcome" or something like that.

Also, Trump did start this. As childish as this sounds, it is important because expecting democrats to be civil with people who see civility as weakness is asking them to effectively surrender. Clinton was right. Democrats lack political power and republicans only respect power. Once democrats take back some power, then some semblance of civility can start (though I'd prefer the dems use the power of the House to restart the Spanish Inquisition).

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:53 am**

Tobleste wrote:
Luminesa wrote:While Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton both said that Democrats can’t be civil with Republicans anymore, and the former specifically called for people to beat-up Republicans in the street. Both sides are calling for violence and it’s frightening, yes. But I don’t see you calling Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton “fat ****’s”. What Trump is doing is bad, so apply this metric to both sides doing the wrong thing maybe?

Did Harris really call for violence? Iirc, Maxine Waters called for republican politicians to be confronted and told "they're not welcome" or something like that.

Also, Trump did start this. As childish as this sounds, it is important because expecting democrats to be civil with people who see civility as weakness is asking them to effectively surrender. Clinton was right. Democrats lack political power and republicans only respect power. Once democrats take back some power, then some semblance of civility can start (though I'd prefer the dems use the power of the House to restart the Spanish Inquisition).

"But Trump started it!!!"

:roll:

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:55 am**

Telconi wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Did Harris really call for violence? Iirc, Maxine Waters called for republican politicians to be confronted and told "they're not welcome" or something like that.

Also, Trump did start this. As childish as this sounds, it is important because expecting democrats to be civil with people who see civility as weakness is asking them to effectively surrender. Clinton was right. Democrats lack political power and republicans only respect power. Once democrats take back some power, then some semblance of civility can start (though I'd prefer the dems use the power of the House to restart the Spanish Inquisition).

"But Trump started it!!!"

I mean if you read the last paragraph you'd get why that matters.

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:59 am**

Tobleste wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"But Trump started it!!!"

I mean if you read the last paragraph you'd get why that matters.

For one, it's false, for two, the million dollar question is: "why should I respect a person who doesn't respect me?"

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:09 am**

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So in what way is that a moral act?

What, being a Republican?

Attempting to smear a dead guy purely to save face.

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:11 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
What, being a Republican?

Attempting to smear a dead guy purely to save face.

So I have to explain a nonsense position I never held?

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:17 am**

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Attempting to smear a dead guy purely to save face.

So I have to explain a nonsense position I never held?

Now you know how it feels. :roll:

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:19 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
So I have to explain a nonsense position I never held?

Now you know how it feels.

Now? This is hardly your first garbage post.

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:20 am**

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-poised ... BRIV3rElnc

I have no words.

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:24 am**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-poised-to-pull-out-of-nuclear-arms-treaty-with-moscow-source?fbclid=IwAR2xK6ePEHCm5tt4OXyolh7LGByiEUxxx--lp9hYqUh0Wcw1SBRIV3rElnc

I have no words.

Putin being Putin...

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:25 am**

Telconi wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-poised-to-pull-out-of-nuclear-arms-treaty-with-moscow-source?fbclid=IwAR2xK6ePEHCm5tt4OXyolh7LGByiEUxxx--lp9hYqUh0Wcw1SBRIV3rElnc

I have no words.

Putin being Putin...

Bolton being Bolton.

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:26 am**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Putin being Putin...

Bolton being Bolton.

Oh, did someone tell him Vlad's missiles were bigger?

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:26 am**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Putin being Putin...

Bolton being Bolton.

What's so unreasonable about withdrawing from a treaty they don't follow? Maintaining our side of the bargain would be stupid.

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:29 am**

Telconi wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Bolton being Bolton.

What's so unreasonable about withdrawing from a treaty they don't follow? Maintaining our side of the bargain would be stupid.

The better option would be staying in the treaty, but performing some acts equal to what the Russians were doing. Maintaining the treaty allows for an easy return to the status quo, but breaking the treaty will basically validate the Russian build-up. In this way, Russia basically won here, because the US gave up trying to bring them in line, and Russia is now totally free to entirely detach itself from the treaty.

See, before, it was in partial non-compliance, but it complied well to other parts of the treaty. Now, the US basically said 'you do you, Putin'.

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:30 am**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
What's so unreasonable about withdrawing from a treaty they don't follow? Maintaining our side of the bargain would be stupid.

The better option would be staying in the treaty, but performing some acts equal to what the Russians were doing. Maintaining the treaty allows for an easy return to the status quo, but breaking the treaty will basically validate the Russian build-up. In this way, Russia basically won here, because the US gave up trying to bring them in line, and Russia is now totally free to entirely detach itself from the treaty.

See, before, it was in partial non-compliance, but it complied well to other parts of the treaty. Now, the US basically said 'you do you, Putin'.

So you're saying rather than withdraw from the treaty, the U.S. should day in the treaty, and just violate it?

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:30 am**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
What's so unreasonable about withdrawing from a treaty they don't follow? Maintaining our side of the bargain would be stupid.

The better option would be staying in the treaty, but performing some acts equal to what the Russians were doing. Maintaining the treaty allows for an easy return to the status quo, but breaking the treaty will basically validate the Russian build-up. In this way, Russia basically won here, because the US gave up trying to bring them in line, and Russia is now totally free to entirely detach itself from the treaty.

See, before, it was in partial non-compliance, but it complied well to other parts of the treaty. Now, the US basically said 'you do you, Putin'.

I mean rolling over and letting the Russians do whatever has basically been the theme of this administration.

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:33 am**

Telconi wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:The better option would be staying in the treaty, but performing some acts equal to what the Russians were doing. Maintaining the treaty allows for an easy return to the status quo, but breaking the treaty will basically validate the Russian build-up. In this way, Russia basically won here, because the US gave up trying to bring them in line, and Russia is now totally free to entirely detach itself from the treaty.

See, before, it was in partial non-compliance, but it complied well to other parts of the treaty. Now, the US basically said 'you do you, Putin'.

So you're saying rather than withdraw from the treaty, the U.S. should day in the treaty, and just violate it?

Basically, yeah. Not the whole treaty, but just the provisions Russia violated. That way, you can keep pressuring the Russians, while also saying that 'if the Russians don't comply, we won't comply either'.

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:46 am**

Telconi wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Did Harris really call for violence? Iirc, Maxine Waters called for republican politicians to be confronted and told "they're not welcome" or something like that.

Also, Trump did start this. As childish as this sounds, it is important because expecting democrats to be civil with people who see civility as weakness is asking them to effectively surrender. Clinton was right. Democrats lack political power and republicans only respect power. Once democrats take back some power, then some semblance of civility can start (though I'd prefer the dems use the power of the House to restart the Spanish Inquisition).

"But Trump started it!!!"

Telconi wrote:"All is fair in love and war"

:^]

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:47 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
What, being a Republican?

Attempting to smear a dead guy purely to save face.

How long before Khashoggi's face is photoshopped on images of terrorists and gangsta rappers?

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:12 pm**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-poised-to-pull-out-of-nuclear-arms-treaty-with-moscow-source?fbclid=IwAR2xK6ePEHCm5tt4OXyolh7LGByiEUxxx--lp9hYqUh0Wcw1SBRIV3rElnc

I have no words.

"bUt TrUmP iS a RuSsIaN sToOgE!!!!!!###!#!@@@"

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:16 pm**

Oil exporting People wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-poised-to-pull-out-of-nuclear-arms-treaty-with-moscow-source?fbclid=IwAR2xK6ePEHCm5tt4OXyolh7LGByiEUxxx--lp9hYqUh0Wcw1SBRIV3rElnc

I have no words.

"bUt TrUmP iS a RuSsIaN sToOgE!!!!!!###!#!@@@"

Bolton is a Russian Stooge now? And giving Moscow a legit excuse to build up nukes sure sounds like stooging.

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:23 pm**

Oil exporting People wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-poised-to-pull-out-of-nuclear-arms-treaty-with-moscow-source?fbclid=IwAR2xK6ePEHCm5tt4OXyolh7LGByiEUxxx--lp9hYqUh0Wcw1SBRIV3rElnc

I have no words.

"bUt TrUmP iS a RuSsIaN sToOgE!!!!!!###!#!@@@"

Remember, rolling over and letting another nation do whatever it wants totally isn't stooging now.

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:29 pm**

Oil exporting People wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-poised-to-pull-out-of-nuclear-arms-treaty-with-moscow-source?fbclid=IwAR2xK6ePEHCm5tt4OXyolh7LGByiEUxxx--lp9hYqUh0Wcw1SBRIV3rElnc

I have no words.

"bUt TrUmP iS a RuSsIaN sToOgE!!!!!!###!#!@@@"

Not something I have said, but alright.

You can see that this is not actually hurting Putin, right? Both the US and Russia will be released of obligations to one another. Putin will be free to openly construct intermediate missiles, just as they have wanted to do before. Actually calling out Putin with evidence before the UN would have been much more adversarial.

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:49 pm**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-poised-to-pull-out-of-nuclear-arms-treaty-with-moscow-source?fbclid=IwAR2xK6ePEHCm5tt4OXyolh7LGByiEUxxx--lp9hYqUh0Wcw1SBRIV3rElnc

I have no words.

Me neither, really. Just differing sources.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... rol-treaty

Wait. I thought of one. Idiots.

Posted: **Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:04 pm**

Oil exporting People wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-poised-to-pull-out-of-nuclear-arms-treaty-with-moscow-source?fbclid=IwAR2xK6ePEHCm5tt4OXyolh7LGByiEUxxx--lp9hYqUh0Wcw1SBRIV3rElnc

I have no words.

"bUt TrUmP iS a RuSsIaN sToOgE!!!!!!###!#!@@@"

You understand this allows Russia to build those medium nukes it wanted to?

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