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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:11 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:What if I told you I hate the electoral college no matter who they install

The electoral college is inherently flawed. I prefer direct representation.

What's your name

This would allow for far better representation beyond the two major parties, and would hopefully end the black-and-white painting US politics have become.
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Greater Cesnica
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:11 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:The electoral college is inherently flawed. I prefer direct representation.

What's your name

Yeah the system is just a confusing mess that can be so easily abused it shocks me we still have it

I mean, this is the country which got away with the Iraq War.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:12 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:The electoral college is inherently flawed. I prefer direct representation.

What's your name

This would allow for far better representation beyond the two major parties, and would hopefully end the black-and-white painting US politics have become.

Like I love how people will get upset at me for wasting my vote on a third party but they won’t be angry that we have a two party system
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:13 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Yeah the system is just a confusing mess that can be so easily abused it shocks me we still have it

I mean, this is the country which got away with the Iraq War.

True
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Greater Cesnica
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:13 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:This would allow for far better representation beyond the two major parties, and would hopefully end the black-and-white painting US politics have become.

Like I love how people will get upset at me for wasting my vote on a third party but they won’t be angry that we have a two party system

So, people get mad at you for exercising your right to vote.

.

.

Please leave America while you can.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:13 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I mean, this is the country which got away with the Iraq War.

True
We’re a silly bunch

Also you're on my friends list now.

:D
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Uxupox » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:15 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Like I love how people will get upset at me for wasting my vote on a third party but they won’t be angry that we have a two party system

So, people get mad at you for exercising your right to vote.

.

.

Please leave America while you can.


if you don't vote for my x, y, z candidate you are the representation of literal hitler.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:15 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Like I love how people will get upset at me for wasting my vote on a third party but they won’t be angry that we have a two party system

So, people get mad at you for exercising your right to vote.

.

.

Please leave America while you can.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:16 am

Uxupox wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:So, people get mad at you for exercising your right to vote.

.

.

Please leave America while you can.


if you don't vote for my x, y, z candidate you are the representation of literal hitler.

I'm in Canada, so the best I can do is vote conservative the moment I get the chance to.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:16 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Ah yes, my side lost so the EC is broken. :roll:

What if I told you I hate the electoral college no matter who they install


But that's not allowed because it makes it hard to make you look like a hypocrite.

Unlike Trump, who went from demanding armed revolution if a candidate won the EC without the popular vote to praising it as the greatest thing ever when he actually did that.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:16 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:So, people get mad at you for exercising your right to vote.

.

.

Please leave America while you can.

Land of the free

*Eagles scream in the distance*

Also, off-topic, but how'd you get into your trade? xD
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:33 am

I think I scared people off. I'm sorry.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Gravlen » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:06 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:Donald Trump.

*waiting for a response*

You have to say it three times, and stand in front of a mirror.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:11 am

Dahon wrote:In a fantastically narrow "America fuck yeah! Go get fucked, rest of the world!" it is.

In the short term. Of course with how quickly the United States is transforming into a classical rogue state (but with all the resources of the world's lone superpower, and very acutely aware that its indispensability means it can only be undermined internally) that term may be far shorter than even I think.

But yes, celebrate how that's a good thing, this total abdication of the very word "responsibility", o so-called "conservative".

There’s no such thing as a rouge state. Rouge states only exists when the big three (USA, Russia, and China) say they do. Otherwise they don’t
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:13 am

Albrenia wrote:I doubt any of those things would ruin America, although I don't think many of them would be good for the US in the long run. I'm filthy globalist scum though and think that isolationism and abandonment of one's allies will leave the US much more weakened, even if the relationship is lopsided with many allies or international bodies.

Isolationism isn’t something I’m for. Outside of that though we shouldn’t be supporting the U.N. the way we currently do
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:14 am

New haven america wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
An intraplanetery system of a one world government is not feasible.

Only because certain people lack the vision to make it happen.

More accurately, nationalism cannot be destroyed, only temporary transferred or suppressed. A single government for the entire planet would, without doing anything particularly undesirable during or beforehand, be fleeting by its very nature.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:16 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:The electoral college is inherently flawed. I prefer direct representation.

What's your name

This would allow for far better representation beyond the two major parties, and would hopefully end the black-and-white painting US politics have become.

No it wouldn’t. Even with direct vote of the president the democrats and republicans wouldn’t change and smaller parties would actually get smaller.

No what we would need to do is get rid of the voting system
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:19 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:This would allow for far better representation beyond the two major parties, and would hopefully end the black-and-white painting US politics have become.

No it wouldn’t. Even with direct vote of the president the democrats and republicans wouldn’t change and smaller parties would actually get smaller.

No what we would need to do is get rid of the voting system

Dictatorship? Or am I misunderstanding you?
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:36 am

The South Falls wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No it wouldn’t. Even with direct vote of the president the democrats and republicans wouldn’t change and smaller parties would actually get smaller.

No what we would need to do is get rid of the voting system

Dictatorship? Or am I misunderstanding you?

Well a dictatorship led by yours truly wouldn’t be a bad idea but I was talking about changing from FPTP to a party list Proportional voting system with a two round system for the president
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Postby Dahon » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:42 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Dahon wrote:In a fantastically narrow "America fuck yeah! Go get fucked, rest of the world!" it is.

In the short term. Of course with how quickly the United States is transforming into a classical rogue state (but with all the resources of the world's lone superpower, and very acutely aware that its indispensability means it can only be undermined internally) that term may be far shorter than even I think.

But yes, celebrate how that's a good thing, this total abdication of the very word "responsibility", o so-called "conservative".

There’s no such thing as a rouge state. Rouge states only exists when the big three (USA, Russia, and China) say they do. Otherwise they don’t


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Postby Valrifell » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:45 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Dictatorship? Or am I misunderstanding you?

Well a dictatorship led by yours truly wouldn’t be a bad idea


No offense but a dictatorship of this size with a strong democratic tradition isn't exactly going to fly over well, especially since you're one of those "both sides suck guyz" so you lose both partisan support.
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:48 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Dictatorship? Or am I misunderstanding you?

Well a dictatorship led by yours truly wouldn’t be a bad idea but I was talking about changing from FPTP to a party list Proportional voting system with a two round system for the president

It would just be better to have a more simple popular vote. Proportional voting is subject to all kinds of mathematical tricks.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:49 am

The South Falls wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well a dictatorship led by yours truly wouldn’t be a bad idea but I was talking about changing from FPTP to a party list Proportional voting system with a two round system for the president

It would just be better to have a more simple popular vote. Proportional voting is subject to all kinds of mathematical tricks.


Pft. American political candidates can't do math.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:50 am

Valrifell wrote:
The South Falls wrote:It would just be better to have a more simple popular vote. Proportional voting is subject to all kinds of mathematical tricks.


Pft. American political candidates can't do math.


Well yeah. Why do you think we keep being expected to believe that 62 is bigger than 65?
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:57 am

Valrifell wrote:
The South Falls wrote:It would just be better to have a more simple popular vote. Proportional voting is subject to all kinds of mathematical tricks.


Pft. American political candidates can't do math.

Just listen to Big Shaq.
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