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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:08 pm
by Nixonnia
Jerzylvania wrote:I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration

Schizoprenic administration detected. Here's the whole thing in case you can't access the NYT...

President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.

It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.

The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.

I would know. I am one of them.

To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.

But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.

The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.

Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.

In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,” President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade and anti-democratic.

Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.

But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.

From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.

Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.

“There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier.

The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.

It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.

The result is a two-track presidency.

Take foreign policy: In public and in private, President Trump shows a preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, and displays little genuine appreciation for the ties that bind us to allied, like-minded nations.

Astute observers have noted, though, that the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than ridiculed as rivals.

On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant to expel so many of Mr. Putin’s spies as punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior. But his national security team knew better — such actions had to be taken, to hold Moscow accountable.

This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.

Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.

The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.

Senator John McCain put it best in his farewell letter. All Americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.

We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue. Mr. Trump may fear such honorable men, but we should revere them.

There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first. But the real difference will be made by everyday citizens rising above politics, reaching across the aisle and resolving to shed the labels in favor of a single one: Americans.

The writer is a senior official in the Trump administration.


Holy crap. There's a new deep throat in town.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:10 pm
by Ifreann
Telconi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nah, the public should be allowed into the public gallery. Even though it's the 21st century and there are plenty of other ways to watch the government in action, people should still be able to walk off the streets of the capital and watch what their government is doing. It is, after all, their government. If people are disruptive, they can be removed.


Or not, CSPAN exists.

Well, whatever, Trump's problem is that people are allowed to do something people were arrested for doing.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:16 pm
by Telconi
Ifreann wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Or not, CSPAN exists.

Well, whatever, Trump's problem is that people are allowed to do something people were arrested for doing.


Yeah, and?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:22 pm
by Gravlen
Ifreann wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Or not, CSPAN exists.

Well, whatever, Trump's problem is that people are allowed to do something people were arrested for doing.

“He’s an idiot. It’s pointless to try to convince him of anything. He’s gone off the rails. We’re in Crazytown. I don’t even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I’ve ever had.”

:)

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:24 pm
by Ifreann
Telconi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Well, whatever, Trump's problem is that people are allowed to do something people were arrested for doing.


Yeah, and?

And that's fucking demented, and therefore the posters lining up to agree with him just to be contrarian should stop doing so.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:26 pm
by Washington Resistance Army
Ifreann wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yeah, and?

And that's fucking demented, and therefore the posters lining up to agree with him just to be contrarian should stop doing so.


I don't think you understand what we're agreeing with.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:27 pm
by The Black Forrest
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And that's fucking demented, and therefore the posters lining up to agree with him just to be contrarian should stop doing so.


I don't think you understand what we're agreeing with.


Soooooo? Maybe a better explanation should follow?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:28 pm
by Washington Resistance Army
The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't think you understand what we're agreeing with.


Soooooo? Maybe a better explanation should follow?


It's been pretty clear lol, a number of people have said yes Trump is right that it's fucking embarrassing we allow these idiots into the capital.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:28 pm
by Telconi
Ifreann wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yeah, and?

And that's fucking demented, and therefore the posters lining up to agree with him just to be contrarian should stop doing so.


Murder is illegal, do you consider those who want gun free zones in schools 'fucking demented'?

The Police stopping a man who has done nothing wrong and then harassing him, or worse, framing him for drug possession or something is illegal, do you consider people who advocate for police body cameras to be 'fucking demented'?

We could go on...

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:42 pm
by Thyerata
In other news, a certain Bret kavanaugh is appearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee...

Y'know, as someone who has a law degree in England, I'm astonished that politics has anything to do with judicial appointments. They're two separate things. We have a Supreme Court in the UK, but appointments are recommended by a non-political appointments body that is mostly made up of lawyers and laypeople who aren't politicians. There is a bit of consultation with politicians, but it's mostly consultation on a fait accompli.

Why is there so much political bitching over a judge?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:43 pm
by Gravlen
Telconi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And that's fucking demented, and therefore the posters lining up to agree with him just to be contrarian should stop doing so.


Murder is illegal, do you consider those who want gun free zones in schools 'fucking demented'?

The Police stopping a man who has done nothing wrong and then harassing him, or worse, framing him for drug possession or something is illegal, do you consider people who advocate for police body cameras to be 'fucking demented'?

We could go on...

I think it’s embarrassing for the country to allow murderers, you don’t even know which side they want to kill. But to allow someone to stand up and stab someone repeatedly in their lungs and nobody does anything about it is frankly — I think it’s an embarrassment.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:43 pm
by Telconi
Thyerata wrote:In other news, a certain Bret kavanaugh is appearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee...

Y'know, as someone who has a law degree in England, I'm astonished that politics has anything to do with judicial appointments. They're two separate things. We have a Supreme Court in the UK, but appointments are recommended by a non-political appointments body that is mostly made up of lawyers and laypeople who aren't politicians. There is a bit of consultation with politicians, but it's mostly consultation on a fait accompli.

Why is there so much political bitching over a judge?


Because a judge is a person, a person has opinions, and opinions effect decisions.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:43 pm
by The Black Forrest
Thyerata wrote:In other news, a certain Bret kavanaugh is appearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee...

Y'know, as someone who has a law degree in England, I'm astonished that politics has anything to do with judicial appointments. They're two separate things. We have a Supreme Court in the UK, but appointments are recommended by a non-political appointments body that is mostly made up of lawyers and laypeople who aren't politicians. There is a bit of consultation with politicians, but it's mostly consultation on a fait accompli.

Why is there so much political bitching over a judge?


Do we have to wear a powdered wig to answer?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:44 pm
by Vassenor
So does anyone have any response to Trump's protester comments that don't involve whataboutism regarding guns?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:45 pm
by Gravlen
Thyerata wrote:In other news, a certain Bret kavanaugh is appearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee...

Y'know, as someone who has a law degree in England, I'm astonished that politics has anything to do with judicial appointments. They're two separate things. We have a Supreme Court in the UK, but appointments are recommended by a non-political appointments body that is mostly made up of lawyers and laypeople who aren't politicians. There is a bit of consultation with politicians, but it's mostly consultation on a fait accompli.

Why is there so much political bitching over a judge?

Because the courts in the US have become politicized, and under the prevailing two-party system it is important to hold political control of that branch of government as well.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:45 pm
by Thyerata
Telconi wrote:
Thyerata wrote:In other news, a certain Bret kavanaugh is appearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee...

Y'know, as someone who has a law degree in England, I'm astonished that politics has anything to do with judicial appointments. They're two separate things. We have a Supreme Court in the UK, but appointments are recommended by a non-political appointments body that is mostly made up of lawyers and laypeople who aren't politicians. There is a bit of consultation with politicians, but it's mostly consultation on a fait accompli.

Why is there so much political bitching over a judge?


Because a judge is a person, a person has opinions, and opinions effect decisions.


In the UK, judges are people, they have opinions (but they're very good at impartiality) and I'm sure their opinions affect decisions. Still, no politics here

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:46 pm
by The Black Forrest
Thyerata wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Because a judge is a person, a person has opinions, and opinions effect decisions.


In the UK, judges are people, they have opinions (but they're very good at impartiality) and I'm sure their opinions affect decisions. Still doesn't get away from the ridiculous over-involvement of politics.


That's a growing concern. The SCOTUS is turning into a political branch.....

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:46 pm
by Freezic Vast
The Black Forrest wrote:
Thyerata wrote:In other news, a certain Bret kavanaugh is appearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee...

Y'know, as someone who has a law degree in England, I'm astonished that politics has anything to do with judicial appointments. They're two separate things. We have a Supreme Court in the UK, but appointments are recommended by a non-political appointments body that is mostly made up of lawyers and laypeople who aren't politicians. There is a bit of consultation with politicians, but it's mostly consultation on a fait accompli.

Why is there so much political bitching over a judge?


Do we have to wear a powdered wig to answer?

:lol2: Okay that was funny.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:47 pm
by Jerzylvania
Nixonnia wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration

Schizoprenic administration detected. Here's the whole thing in case you can't access the NYT...

President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.

It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.

The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.

I would know. I am one of them.

To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.

But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.

The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.

Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.

In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,” President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade and anti-democratic.

Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.

But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.

From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.

Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.

“There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier.

The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.

It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.

The result is a two-track presidency.

Take foreign policy: In public and in private, President Trump shows a preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, and displays little genuine appreciation for the ties that bind us to allied, like-minded nations.

Astute observers have noted, though, that the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than ridiculed as rivals.

On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant to expel so many of Mr. Putin’s spies as punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior. But his national security team knew better — such actions had to be taken, to hold Moscow accountable.

This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.

Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.

The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.

Senator John McCain put it best in his farewell letter. All Americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.

We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue. Mr. Trump may fear such honorable men, but we should revere them.

There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first. But the real difference will be made by everyday citizens rising above politics, reaching across the aisle and resolving to shed the labels in favor of a single one: Americans.

The writer is a senior official in the Trump administration.

Holy crap. There's a new deep throat in town.


It's an SOS to the World from a seriously conflicted babysitter who probably needs multiple shots of hard liquor on a daily basis.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:47 pm
by Gravlen
The Black Forrest wrote:
Thyerata wrote:
In the UK, judges are people, they have opinions (but they're very good at impartiality) and I'm sure their opinions affect decisions. Still doesn't get away from the ridiculous over-involvement of politics.


That's a growing concern. The SCOTUS is turning into a political branch.....

Has turned. The time for "is turning" is back yonder.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:55 pm
by Telconi
Vassenor wrote:So does anyone have any response to Trump's protester comments that don't involve whataboutism regarding guns?


People have given plenty, try scrolling up.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:55 pm
by Salandriagado
Telconi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nah, the public should be allowed into the public gallery. Even though it's the 21st century and there are plenty of other ways to watch the government in action, people should still be able to walk off the streets of the capital and watch what their government is doing. It is, after all, their government. If people are disruptive, they can be removed.


Or not, CSPAN exists.


"You need to own a TV to observe what our government is doing" is not a good precedent.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:56 pm
by Telconi
Salandriagado wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Or not, CSPAN exists.


"You need to own a TV to observe what our government is doing" is not a good precedent.


-shrug- I disagree.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:59 pm
by Galloism
Salandriagado wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Or not, CSPAN exists.


"You need to own a TV to observe what our government is doing" is not a good precedent.

Oddly, I don't actually own a TV.

At least, I don't own a TV being used as a TV, in the traditional sense.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:06 pm
by Sovaal
Jerzylvania wrote:I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration

Schizoprenic administration detected. Here's the whole thing in case you can't access the NYT...

President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.

It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.

The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.

I would know. I am one of them.

To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.

But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.

The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.

Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.

In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,” President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade and anti-democratic.

Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.

But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.

From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.

Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.

“There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier.

The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.

It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.

The result is a two-track presidency.

Take foreign policy: In public and in private, President Trump shows a preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, and displays little genuine appreciation for the ties that bind us to allied, like-minded nations.

Astute observers have noted, though, that the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than ridiculed as rivals.

On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant to expel so many of Mr. Putin’s spies as punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior. But his national security team knew better — such actions had to be taken, to hold Moscow accountable.

This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.

Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.

The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.

Senator John McCain put it best in his farewell letter. All Americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.

We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue. Mr. Trump may fear such honorable men, but we should revere them.

There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first. But the real difference will be made by everyday citizens rising above politics, reaching across the aisle and resolving to shed the labels in favor of a single one: Americans.

The writer is a senior official in the Trump administration.

1; Im sure he is.
2: Still, would any of us here be surprised if it came out that Trump did basically fuck all?