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Washington Resistance Army wrote:

New haven america wrote:I never stated they weren't.

However, I choose to go with people who's actions have actually helped those under them, not made their lives worse.

Afaik Telconi's situation got noticeably worse under Obama than Trump.

How many other people is that true for?

US-SSR wrote:

Uxupox wrote:
Jesus Christ. Clinton as VP is absolutely horrendous. If the dems want to win the presidential elections in 2018 they better not put support her in the damn ballot or it will be 2016 all over again.

Not VP, President after the quondam Speaker resigns the Presidency. Three million more people than her opponent didn't think that would be horrendous at all.

i'd take nancy pelosi over her any day of the week.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Afaik Telconi's situation got noticeably worse under Obama than Trump.

How many other people is that true for?

My family was very much the same.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Afaik Telconi's situation got noticeably worse under Obama than Trump.

How many other people is that true for?

I don't know about worse but where I am it's the same under Trump it was under Obama; backwater and poor.

Oil exporting People wrote:Also, given the fantasy political scenarios, I'd like to point out that if the Dems do get their own in the Oval and the expected recession hits....

Everyone will blame the Democrats because nothing matters anymore...

Sovaal wrote:

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
What does this reply even mean?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Honestly they've gone off on a tangent long ago.

I don’t understand how someone could extrapolate some of my insecurities from that post.

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:

Sovaal wrote: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Honestly they've gone off on a tangent long ago.

I don’t understand how someone could extrapolate some of my insecurities from that post.

somethingsoemthing we all hate ourselves because we didn't vote Hillarysomethingsomething

Oil exporting People wrote:Turkey and China have both been, for lack of a better term, hammered by the U.S. this year. Combined with Trump's stance on Japan, I wonder how much influence George Friedman's geopolitical thinking has had on Trump; we know back in 2012 Mitt Romney was reading up on his thinking. I personally own The Next 100 Years and The Next Decade, with Friedman largely being right with incredible accuracy so far.

Friedman is a bit of a meme. He's predicted some fairly wacky off-base stuff, read "the Coming War With Japan". I like Stratfor, though.

Trump also doesn't read books, so I don't know how much of an influence Friedman could have had on him.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Afaik Telconi's situation got noticeably worse under Obama than Trump.

How many other people is that true for?

Iunno, how many people voted for Donald Trump, or even Johnson? That'd likely give you a ballpark.

Sick Jumps wrote:

Oil exporting People wrote:Turkey and China have both been, for lack of a better term, hammered by the U.S. this year. Combined with Trump's stance on Japan, I wonder how much influence George Friedman's geopolitical thinking has had on Trump; we know back in 2012 Mitt Romney was reading up on his thinking. I personally own The Next 100 Years and The Next Decade, with Friedman largely being right with incredible accuracy so far.

Friedman is a bit of a meme. He's predicted some fairly wacky off-base stuff, read "the Coming War With Japan". I like Stratfor, though.

Trump also doesn't read books, so I don't know how much of an influence Friedman could have had on him.

What about his staff? At least the ones he hasn't fired.

Uxupox wrote:

US-SSR wrote:
Not VP, President after the quondam Speaker resigns the Presidency. Three million more people than her opponent didn't think that would be horrendous at all.

i'd take nancy pelosi over her any day of the week.

Done and done.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
How many other people is that true for?

My family was very much the same.

My uncle was able to retire from his main job because of the ACA.

He still operates his artisan bakery but he got to keep his health insurance.

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:

Sovaal wrote: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Honestly they've gone off on a tangent long ago.

I don’t understand how someone could extrapolate some of my insecurities from that post.

The fact that you felt the need to not believe something I said I wouldn't do shows some decent projection skills.

It was meant to be as a joke though, so... Woosh.

Sovaal wrote:

Sick Jumps wrote:Friedman is a bit of a meme. He's predicted some fairly wacky off-base stuff, read "the Coming War With Japan". I like Stratfor, though.

Trump also doesn't read books, so I don't know how much of an influence Friedman could have had on him.

What about his staff? At least the ones he hasn't fired.

Flynn (and by extension, Michael Ledeen) had a lot of influence over his thinking before he was fired. If you look at The Field of Fight, that seems to have had some impact on Trump's thinking (though not on all topics). That book proposes forming an anti-Islamic, anti-Iran alliance with Russia.

Friedman predicted that Russia would decline and collapse, I'm not sure how that factors into Trump's views on the country.

US-SSR wrote:

Uxupox wrote:
i'd take nancy pelosi over her any day of the week.

Done and done.

it was a joke lol. nancy is trash tier politician as well. there is a big reason as to why even moderate dems oppose her shit.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
My family was very much the same.

My uncle was able to retire from his main job because of the ACA.

He still operates his artisan bakery but he got to keep his health insurance.

And I lost my home, job, and had to declare bankruptcy on thousands of dollars in debt. So there's that.

New haven america wrote:

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
I don’t understand how someone could extrapolate some of my insecurities from that post.

The fact that you felt the need to not believe something I said I wouldn't do shows some decent projection skills.

It was meant to be as a joke though, so... Woosh.

Disbelieving someone is projection?

New haven america wrote:The fact that you felt the need to not believe something I said I wouldn't do shows some decent projection skills.[…]

Considering your efforts in chastising Tel, it’s hard to imagine you wouldn’t do it, although I admit I should have given you the benefit of the doubt.

New haven america wrote:It was meant to be as a joke though, so... Woosh.

Typically there is some kind of indication that you were joking.

Telconi wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
My uncle was able to retire from his main job because of the ACA.

He still operates his artisan bakery but he got to keep his health insurance.

And I lost my home, job, and had to declare bankruptcy on thousands of dollars in debt. So there's that.

One anecdote verses another anecdote.

Do you know what the net result of it was?

Fartsniffage wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
My family was very much the same.

My uncle was able to retire from his main job because of the ACA.

He still operates his artisan bakery but he got to keep his health insurance.

We went bankrupt and lost our house because the ACA fucked us that much. Everyone got hit differently.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Telconi wrote:
And I lost my home, job, and had to declare bankruptcy on thousands of dollars in debt. So there's that.

One anecdote verses another anecdote.

Do you know what the net result of it was?

Why should I give a shit? I should have just sat in the gutter with my wife telling myself 'This is fine because some flatulence smeller on the internet''s uncle got to retire from his day job"?

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
My uncle was able to retire from his main job because of the ACA.

He still operates his artisan bakery but he got to keep his health insurance.

We went bankrupt and lost our house because the ACA fucked us that much. Everyone got hit differently.

Well maybe you'll support Democrat proposals to sort out health care in the future rather than republican ideas that favour the insurance industry.

Telconi wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
One anecdote verses another anecdote.

Do you know what the net result of it was?

Why should I give a shit? I should have just sat in the gutter with my wife telling myself 'This is fine because some flatulence smeller on the internet''s uncle got to retire from his day job"?

National policy isn't aimed at you. It sucks that it hurt you but that doesn't mean it was bad policy overall.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
We went bankrupt and lost our house because the ACA fucked us that much. Everyone got hit differently.

Well maybe you'll support Democrat proposals to sort out health care in the future rather than republican ideas that favour the insurance industry.

Or maybe we could give both sides the bullet

Fartsniffage wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
We went bankrupt and lost our house because the ACA fucked us that much. Everyone got hit differently.

Well maybe you'll support Democrat proposals to sort out health care in the future rather than republican ideas that favour the insurance industry.

Yep, that'll win people over.