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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:59 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Yes.


I’ve seen lots of people refer to him as a he.

Dude...she. You've seen people refer to her as "he", but she's a woman.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:59 pm

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This isn't a question of a few miles. The nation's part of the border spans 75 miles and, at its furthest, the nation's northernmost boundary is over 100 miles from the border.

You build around it. What difference does it make. xP

But in reality the U.S. can legally build on the border itself as the actual border of the U.S. is not owned by that nation, it is merely adjacent to the border. It would be easy enough to build around it, as I said. Even if you build the wall around the entire thing, it's only a small amount added to the overall length of the wall. Mostly likely knowing trump he will just build it on the border and not really care.

And then we all laugh as SCOTUS declares that the wall is unconstitutional
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Postby Manokan Republic » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:00 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Manokan Republic wrote:You build around it. What difference does it make. xP

But in reality the U.S. can legally build on the border itself as the actual border of the U.S. is not owned by that nation, it is merely adjacent to the border. It would be easy enough to build around it, as I said.

No they can’t. Legal cases have set a precedent that those who own land that goes right up to the border must have final say

The government can take land at it's own disposal, and the border is already it's territory (and the border wall wouldn't be very thick), but even so, at worst you end up with a slightly misshapen border wall.

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Postby Manokan Republic » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:01 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Manokan Republic wrote:You build around it. What difference does it make. xP

But in reality the U.S. can legally build on the border itself as the actual border of the U.S. is not owned by that nation, it is merely adjacent to the border. It would be easy enough to build around it, as I said. Even if you build the wall around the entire thing, it's only a small amount added to the overall length of the wall. Mostly likely knowing trump he will just build it on the border and not really care.

And then we all laugh as SCOTUS declares that the wall is unconstitutional

I'm doubt the supreme court will declare the wall unconstitutional, as it's not unconstitutional to have a wall. We already have 580 miles of border wall, for example with one in Texas, so the land has already been built on. But even so he's got the court stacked in his favor, and Ruth seems to be close to retiring on top of this. My guess is this doesn't happen.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:03 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:No they can’t. Legal cases have set a precedent that those who own land that goes right up to the border must have final say

The government can take land at it's own disposal, and the border is already it's territory (and the border wall wouldn't be very thick), but even so, at worst you end up with a slightly misshapen border wall.

No it can’t. While eminent domain exists it’s not a “I can do whatever the hell i want with any land” get out of jail free card. Eminent domain is able to be appealed in court.
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Postby Manokan Republic » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:04 pm

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Manokan Republic wrote:The government can take land at it's own disposal, and the border is already it's territory (and the border wall wouldn't be very thick), but even so, at worst you end up with a slightly misshapen border wall.

No it can’t. While eminent domain exists it’s not a “I can do whatever the hell i want with any land” get out of jail free card. Eminent domain is able to be appealed in court.

Yes, but in the case of a border wall, of which 580 miles of which already exist, time and time again it's been given to the government. Most likely it will just get the territory without question. It can take the land and will typically get it. Even if it's opposed, many times the court motions are quashed.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:06 pm

Manokan Republic wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:And then we all laugh as SCOTUS declares that the wall is unconstitutional

I'm doubt the supreme court will declare the wall unconstitutional, as it's not unconstitutional to have a wall. We already have 580 miles of border wall, for example with one in Texas, so the land has already been built on. But even so he's got the court stacked in his favor, and Ruth seems to be close to retiring on top of this. My guess is this doesn't happen.

That’s not how SCOTUS works. The justices Trump appointed have no loyalty to Trump and have ruled against a few Republican Party issues.

Also just because something exists doesn’t mean it can’t be unconstitutional
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:10 pm

Manokan Republic wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No it can’t. While eminent domain exists it’s not a “I can do whatever the hell i want with any land” get out of jail free card. Eminent domain is able to be appealed in court.

Yes, but in the case of a border wall, of which 580 miles of which already exist, time and time again it's been given to the government. Most likely it will just get the territory without question. It can take the land and will typically get it. Even if it's opposed, many times the court motions are quashed.

580 miles of fence. Not wall. And that’s out of nearly 2,000 miles. Not really impressive there dude. The Native nation’s have different rights than regular people. Their motion isn’t going to get tossed.

Now the financial burden of building a physical wall is going to be a killer. So get ready to either have a shit ton of debt or pay a shit ton of taxes.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:12 pm

What should the new thread title be?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:14 pm

Bombadil wrote:What should the new thread title be?

Something that will be buried by seventeen newer scandals by the time its done.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:16 pm

I'm confused about how The Wall will magically end all violent crime in the US. Especially given how much of it is done by native born White people.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:16 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Bombadil wrote:What should the new thread title be?

Something that will be buried by seventeen newer scandals by the time its done.


I think a nod to the fact we’re halfway through at least the first iteration of this shitshow would work.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:17 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
I’ve seen lots of people refer to him as a he.

Dude...she. You've seen people refer to her as "he", but she's a woman.


Shut up, Can.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:18 pm

Vassenor wrote:I'm confused about how The Wall will magically end all violent crime in the US. Especially given how much of it is done by native born White people.


It won’t, but at this point I’m like give the little man his wall.. the pointlessness and expense of upkeep can be a legacy to his monumental stupidity.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:19 pm

Vassenor wrote:I'm confused about how The Wall will magically end all violent crime in the US. Especially given how much of it is done by native born White people.


You do realize a considerable amount are committed by other races right?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:20 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:I'm confused about how The Wall will magically end all violent crime in the US. Especially given how much of it is done by native born White people.


You do realize a considerable amount are committed by other races right?

Do both of you realize that nobody else cares who commits what crimes and how many?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:22 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
You do realize a considerable amount are committed by other races right?

Do both of you realize that nobody else cares who commits what crimes and how many?


Vas does.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:24 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Do both of you realize that nobody else cares who commits what crimes and how many?


Vas does.

:eyebrow:

Get a room
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