MAGAThread XIV: All persons born or naturalized ...

[New haven america]

Our political party system is completely fucked, no wonder the Founding Fathers advised against them.

No, Washington was the only one against parties.

Everyone pretty much said "lol, all right, what ever you say, woodmouth." (Note: Despite popular belief, Washington did not have wooden dentures)

[Valrifell]

"The Sword of Damocles" applies to Trump perfectly, always an imminent downfall of his administration but never a follow-through.

Sadly, y'all are stuck between a rock (the screeching Democrats) and a hard place (the vehemently unreasonable Republicans).

National salvation coup when?

The Democrats offer hope for my views to be implemented eventually.

*laughs manically in DSA takeover*

[New haven america]

"The Sword of Damocles" applies to Trump perfectly, always an imminent downfall of his administration but never a follow-through.

Sadly, y'all are stuck between a rock (the screeching Democrats) and a hard place (the vehemently unreasonable Republicans).

National salvation coup when?

Can we please move away from this line of thought?

It's that type of thinking that got us into this to begin with.

[Bombadil]

Our political party system is completely fucked, no wonder the Founding Fathers advised against them.

I’m still keeping my eyes on Mueller. He might actually pull some crazy shit out of the bag. What I wanna know is, what would the government do as retaliation towards Russia if they *did* analize our democracy? Probably nothing, but that’s judging off our treatment of the Saudis. We’re their bitches and we’re not really Russia’s bitch so I wonder what the payback would be

I'm not sure Russian collusion will be the thing, probably why he keeps screeching about it, it's the one thing he's technically not guilty of. However Cohen was his right hand man in business dealings for a long time, literally his consigliere, god knows what information he's provided to Mueller.

I mean personally i hope the whole pee-tape is true, but otherwise i doubt Trump would really have knowingly thrown his hand in with the Russians.

They eventually got much of the Mafia on tax fraud, I'd imagine Trump goes down much the same way.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Sadly, y'all are stuck between a rock (the screeching Democrats) and a hard place (the vehemently unreasonable Republicans).

National salvation coup when?

Can we please move away from this line of thought?

It's that type of thinking that got us into this to begin with.

What line of thought?

The line of thought that the vast majority of Americans keep thinking that voting for the other side of the same rotting coin will somehow change anything?

[New haven america]

Can we please move away from this line of thought?

It's that type of thinking that got us into this to begin with.

What line of thought?

The line of thought that the vast majority of Americans keep thinking that voting for the other side of the same rotting coin will somehow change anything?

The bolded line of thought.

If these past 2, almost 3, years of Republican control over the country hasn't proven to you that this line of thinking is false, then IDK what will. It's that type of thinking that got us into this to begin with (If they're both the same then let's just go with the loudest and most extreme acting part), and thinking they're the same side will do nothing to help.

[Telconi]

What line of thought?

The line of thought that the vast majority of Americans keep thinking that voting for the other side of the same rotting coin will somehow change anything?

The bolded line of thought.

If these past 2, almost 3, years of Republican control over the country hasn't proven to you that this line of thinking is false, then IDK what will. It's that type of thinking that got us into this to begin with (If they're both the same then let's just go with the loudest and most extreme acting part), and thinking they're the same side will do nothing to help.

How does the tails side being rotten disprove that both sides are.

[Genivaria]

Because those are people, and people do have rights. Those rights have been democratically voted on and accepted in parliament. Political opinions by themselves do not have rights. People have a right to be communist, but they do not have a right to have their views implemented. They will have to work democratically towards that. Ideologies do not have feelings and cannot be hurt. People can.

Indeed, you know who else isn't entitled to having their views implemented, urbanites...

And neither do ruralites right?

[Telconi]

Indeed, you know who else isn't entitled to having their views implemented, urbanites...

And neither do ruralites right?

Sure.

[Bombadil]

Just to slightly buttresss my point, an end of year FOX poll has come out..

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-ne ... b-approval

48% believe he colluded with Russia against 37% who don't is one stand out, up from 40% and 52% respectively a year ago.. that's quite a jump. The other is a jump in Republicans concerned by climate change..

-- Views divide, 40-47 percent, over whether the president has revised foreign trade deals to be more favorable to the U.S. That falls short of expectations. Two years ago, 62 percent of voters overall and 94 percent of Republicans believed Trump would improve the deals (Dec. 2016). Now, 76 percent of Republicans think he has done so. Among Democrats, 34 percent thought he would, and 13 percent say he has.

-- 41 percent view NAFTA positively, including 46 percent of Democrats, 38 percent of Republicans and 37 percent of independents. One in four voters is unable to rate the trade deal.

-- The survey asks voters how often the president puts his business interests ahead of the interests of the American people. Over half think he usually does (always or often). Thirty-five percent say Trump always puts his personal business first -- more than twice the number saying he never does (14 percent). Some 17 percent say often, 15 percent say sometimes, and 14 percent say rarely.

-- The top concern to voters is health care: 83 percent are extremely or very concerned about it. Roughly three in four are concerned about political divisions within the country (78 percent), the opioid crisis (74 percent), and the economy (74 percent).

-- Large numbers also worry about natural disasters (70 percent), gun laws (69 percent), race relations (69 percent), illegal immigration (66 percent), climate change (64 percent), sexual harassment in society (63 percent), and the migrant caravan (59 percent).

-- The biggest shift since January is a 7-point increase in concern over climate change, mostly driven by a 13-point jump among Republicans: 41 percent are concerned now, up from 28 percent at the beginning of the year.

I'm feel there's a sentiment well rising among Republicans that would not be too miffed if Trump was to go, and that creates an opening for the Senate to swing on any impeachment.

[Cannot think of a name]

Just to slightly buttresss my point, an end of year FOX poll has come out..

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-ne ... b-approval

48% believe he colluded with Russia against 37% who don't is one stand out, up from 40% and 52% respectively a year ago.. that's quite a jump. The other is a jump in Republicans concerned by climate change..

-- Views divide, 40-47 percent, over whether the president has revised foreign trade deals to be more favorable to the U.S. That falls short of expectations. Two years ago, 62 percent of voters overall and 94 percent of Republicans believed Trump would improve the deals (Dec. 2016). Now, 76 percent of Republicans think he has done so. Among Democrats, 34 percent thought he would, and 13 percent say he has.

-- 41 percent view NAFTA positively, including 46 percent of Democrats, 38 percent of Republicans and 37 percent of independents. One in four voters is unable to rate the trade deal.

-- The survey asks voters how often the president puts his business interests ahead of the interests of the American people. Over half think he usually does (always or often). Thirty-five percent say Trump always puts his personal business first -- more than twice the number saying he never does (14 percent). Some 17 percent say often, 15 percent say sometimes, and 14 percent say rarely.

-- The top concern to voters is health care: 83 percent are extremely or very concerned about it. Roughly three in four are concerned about political divisions within the country (78 percent), the opioid crisis (74 percent), and the economy (74 percent).

-- Large numbers also worry about natural disasters (70 percent), gun laws (69 percent), race relations (69 percent), illegal immigration (66 percent), climate change (64 percent), sexual harassment in society (63 percent), and the migrant caravan (59 percent).

-- The biggest shift since January is a 7-point increase in concern over climate change, mostly driven by a 13-point jump among Republicans: 41 percent are concerned now, up from 28 percent at the beginning of the year.

I'm feel there's a sentiment well rising among Republicans that would not be too miffed if Trump was to go, and that creates an opening for the Senate to swing on any impeachment.

The best of all worlds is him being impeached by a Republican senate. At that point, despite their role in enabling and defending and playing along with him this entire time, they can wash their hands of it. It won't be a partisan thing at that point but a affirmation of the notion of rule of law, which it should be. Will it? Man, I don't know.

[Bombadil]

Just to slightly buttresss my point, an end of year FOX poll has come out..

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-ne ... b-approval

48% believe he colluded with Russia against 37% who don't is one stand out, up from 40% and 52% respectively a year ago.. that's quite a jump. The other is a jump in Republicans concerned by climate change..

-- Views divide, 40-47 percent, over whether the president has revised foreign trade deals to be more favorable to the U.S. That falls short of expectations. Two years ago, 62 percent of voters overall and 94 percent of Republicans believed Trump would improve the deals (Dec. 2016). Now, 76 percent of Republicans think he has done so. Among Democrats, 34 percent thought he would, and 13 percent say he has.

-- 41 percent view NAFTA positively, including 46 percent of Democrats, 38 percent of Republicans and 37 percent of independents. One in four voters is unable to rate the trade deal.

-- The survey asks voters how often the president puts his business interests ahead of the interests of the American people. Over half think he usually does (always or often). Thirty-five percent say Trump always puts his personal business first -- more than twice the number saying he never does (14 percent). Some 17 percent say often, 15 percent say sometimes, and 14 percent say rarely.

-- The top concern to voters is health care: 83 percent are extremely or very concerned about it. Roughly three in four are concerned about political divisions within the country (78 percent), the opioid crisis (74 percent), and the economy (74 percent).

-- Large numbers also worry about natural disasters (70 percent), gun laws (69 percent), race relations (69 percent), illegal immigration (66 percent), climate change (64 percent), sexual harassment in society (63 percent), and the migrant caravan (59 percent).

-- The biggest shift since January is a 7-point increase in concern over climate change, mostly driven by a 13-point jump among Republicans: 41 percent are concerned now, up from 28 percent at the beginning of the year.

I'm feel there's a sentiment well rising among Republicans that would not be too miffed if Trump was to go, and that creates an opening for the Senate to swing on any impeachment.

The best of all worlds is him being impeached by a Republican senate. At that point, despite their role in enabling and defending and playing along with him this entire time, they can wash their hands of it. It won't be a partisan thing at that point but a affirmation of the notion of rule of law, which it should be. Will it? Man, I don't know.

When asked they think Trump will be re-elected in 2020 38% thought yes whereas 52% thought no.

[Kowani]

Just to slightly buttresss my point, an end of year FOX poll has come out..

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-ne ... b-approval

48% believe he colluded with Russia against 37% who don't is one stand out, up from 40% and 52% respectively a year ago.. that's quite a jump. The other is a jump in Republicans concerned by climate change..

-- Views divide, 40-47 percent, over whether the president has revised foreign trade deals to be more favorable to the U.S. That falls short of expectations. Two years ago, 62 percent of voters overall and 94 percent of Republicans believed Trump would improve the deals (Dec. 2016). Now, 76 percent of Republicans think he has done so. Among Democrats, 34 percent thought he would, and 13 percent say he has.

-- 41 percent view NAFTA positively, including 46 percent of Democrats, 38 percent of Republicans and 37 percent of independents. One in four voters is unable to rate the trade deal.

-- The survey asks voters how often the president puts his business interests ahead of the interests of the American people. Over half think he usually does (always or often). Thirty-five percent say Trump always puts his personal business first -- more than twice the number saying he never does (14 percent). Some 17 percent say often, 15 percent say sometimes, and 14 percent say rarely.

-- The top concern to voters is health care: 83 percent are extremely or very concerned about it. Roughly three in four are concerned about political divisions within the country (78 percent), the opioid crisis (74 percent), and the economy (74 percent).

-- Large numbers also worry about natural disasters (70 percent), gun laws (69 percent), race relations (69 percent), illegal immigration (66 percent), climate change (64 percent), sexual harassment in society (63 percent), and the migrant caravan (59 percent).

-- The biggest shift since January is a 7-point increase in concern over climate change, mostly driven by a 13-point jump among Republicans: 41 percent are concerned now, up from 28 percent at the beginning of the year.

I'm feel there's a sentiment well rising among Republicans that would not be too miffed if Trump was to go, and that creates an opening for the Senate to swing on any impeachment.

Damn. That is a shift.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Apparently the Trump administration is so “pro-life” that it’s barred the NIH from acquiring fetal tissue,effectively preventing some of their HIV research.

[Vassenor]

Meanwhile, apparently DHS is getting a toddler to write its press releases now.

[Tarsonis]

Apparently the Trump administration is so “pro-life” that it’s barred the NIH from acquiring fetal tissue,effectively preventing some of their HIV research.

Good

[Washington Resistance Army]

Apparently the Trump administration is so “pro-life” that it’s barred the NIH from acquiring fetal tissue,effectively preventing some of their HIV research.

Why though

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Apparently the Trump administration is so “pro-life” that it’s barred the NIH from acquiring fetal tissue,effectively preventing some of their HIV research.

Good

Once abortion has been performed, what's wrong with donating tissue to science? Actual humans donate their bodies to science all the time, so why this would be wrong for fetuses is beyond me, even from a pro-life perspective.

[Vassenor]

Apparently the Trump administration is so “pro-life” that it’s barred the NIH from acquiring fetal tissue,effectively preventing some of their HIV research.

Good

You think people dying from HIV and related conditions is good?

[Tarsonis]

Good

Once abortion has been performed, what's wrong with donating tissue to science? Actual humans donate their bodies to science all the time, so why this would be wrong for fetuses is beyond me, even from a pro-life perspective.

And the fetus was able to consent to this when?

[Tarsonis]

Good

You think people dying from HIV and related conditions is good?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Good

You think people dying from HIV and related conditions is good?

I don't think that taking the tissue of people without ability to consent is at all good.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Once abortion has been performed, what's wrong with donating tissue to science? Actual humans donate their bodies to science all the time, so why this would be wrong for fetuses is beyond me, even from a pro-life perspective.

And the fetus was able to consent to this when?

If you think that fetuses should be seen as children, then you will see that the parents consented in their stead, as the law requires. The fetus itself has no way to consent to anything, because it doesn't even have higher brain functions when it is aborted.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You think people dying from HIV and related conditions is good?

I don't think that taking the tissue of people without ability to consent is at all good.

You're entirely against child healthcare, then? Children are not able to consent, either. Yet, their tissues are taken all the time.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

And the fetus was able to consent to this when?

If you think that fetuses should be seen as children, then you will see that the parents consented in their stead, as the law requires. The fetus itself has no way to consent to anything, because it doesn't even have higher brain functions when it is aborted.

I don't think children are able to donate their bodies to science either.