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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:31 pm

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Indeed.


But they seem to be doing pretty well so far.


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Postby Duhon » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:34 pm

Bombadil wrote:I mean.. there's probably some case to be made that the world does need a less conciliatory and a more straightforward President at the helm, trying to be nice to everyone doesn't seem to be working in an increasingly riven world. The global economy is in a very shaky place and it's likely that some hard if not uncomfortable decisions will need to be made. I talk of the breakdown of the post-WW2 consensus whereby good initial intentions have become shrouded in such bullshit talk that little is done to actually address some critical global issues.

However it's all undercut by the fact that Trump is such as massive fucking knobhead.


Given that Trump is responsible for much of that breakdown...

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Corrian wrote:We have a new nickname, guys.

Welcome "Da Nang Dick" and "The Dick"


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Welcome "Da Nang Dick" and "The Dick"


He really can't tell the difference between the Vietnam War and dating in the eighties anymore, can he?


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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:16 am

Two in three Republicans would rather see a shutdown than compromise on the border wall

I wonder if they realize that Republicans will be blamed more for this? Or, if you're Trump, maybe find a way to sneak money into the defense budget and have the military build the wall
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:17 am

Zurkerx wrote:Two in three Republicans would rather see a shutdown than compromise on the border wall

I wonder if they realize that Republicans will be blamed more for this? Or, if you're Trump, maybe find a way to sneak money into the defense budget and have the military build the wall


Republicans are always blamed for it.

Under Obama, Republicans were blamed for refusing to capitulate to the Democratic Majority. Now they'll be blamed because they're not ceding to the minority. A shut down is always the Republicans fault. The beauty of press that's majority Democrat.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:29 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Two in three Republicans would rather see a shutdown than compromise on the border wall

I wonder if they realize that Republicans will be blamed more for this? Or, if you're Trump, maybe find a way to sneak money into the defense budget and have the military build the wall


Republicans are always blamed for it.

Under Obama, Republicans were blamed for refusing to capitulate to the Democratic Majority. Now they'll be blamed because they're not ceding to the minority. A shut down is always the Republicans fault. The beauty of press that's majority Democrat.

Mate. They were blamed for blatant obstructionism and general acts of dickery.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:30 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Two in three Republicans would rather see a shutdown than compromise on the border wall

I wonder if they realize that Republicans will be blamed more for this? Or, if you're Trump, maybe find a way to sneak money into the defense budget and have the military build the wall


Republicans are always blamed for it.

Under Obama, Republicans were blamed for refusing to capitulate to the Democratic Majority. Now they'll be blamed because they're not ceding to the minority. A shut down is always the Republicans fault. The beauty of press that's majority Democrat.


Compromise is an essential part of a happy, functioning democracy. The fact that Republicans oft work for the hand of the minority make compromise doubly important where they're concerned, otherwise our happy little democratic Republic becomes no longer happy or democratic.

My only wish is that people showed this level of spine when talking about climate change or the working-class lot. You know, things that matter.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:57 am

Kowani wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Republicans are always blamed for it.

Under Obama, Republicans were blamed for refusing to capitulate to the Democratic Majority. Now they'll be blamed because they're not ceding to the minority. A shut down is always the Republicans fault. The beauty of press that's majority Democrat.

Mate. They were blamed for blatant obstructionism and general acts of dickery.


But obstructing dickery isn't itself dickery...
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:58 am

Valrifell wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Republicans are always blamed for it.

Under Obama, Republicans were blamed for refusing to capitulate to the Democratic Majority. Now they'll be blamed because they're not ceding to the minority. A shut down is always the Republicans fault. The beauty of press that's majority Democrat.


Compromise is an essential part of a happy, functioning democracy. The fact that Republicans oft work for the hand of the minority make compromise doubly important where they're concerned, otherwise our happy little democratic Republic becomes no longer happy or democratic.

My only wish is that people showed this level of spine when talking about climate change or the working-class lot. You know, things that matter.


Funny how its only the Republicans that need to compromise *nods*
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:58 am

Fuck sake, do we have to do Obama again?
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 am

Kowani wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Republicans are always blamed for it.

Under Obama, Republicans were blamed for refusing to capitulate to the Democratic Majority. Now they'll be blamed because they're not ceding to the minority. A shut down is always the Republicans fault. The beauty of press that's majority Democrat.

Mate. They were blamed for blatant obstructionism and general acts of dickery.


Mhmm, when it's the Republicans it's Obstruction, when its the Democrats it's "resistance."
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:01 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:Mate. They were blamed for blatant obstructionism and general acts of dickery.


Mhmm, when it's the Republicans it's Obstruction, when its the Democrats it's "resistance."

Don't know if you've noticed, but for the last two years it's been Republicans obstructing themselves.
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Postby Corrian » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:17 am

Zurkerx wrote:Two in three Republicans would rather see a shutdown than compromise on the border wall

I wonder if they realize that Republicans will be blamed more for this? Or, if you're Trump, maybe find a way to sneak money into the defense budget and have the military build the wall

There is like a 20 point margin where people would rather not, though.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:19 am

Corrian wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Two in three Republicans would rather see a shutdown than compromise on the border wall

I wonder if they realize that Republicans will be blamed more for this? Or, if you're Trump, maybe find a way to sneak money into the defense budget and have the military build the wall

There is like a 20 point margin where people would rather not, though.


Build a wall, or force a government shutdown?
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Postby Corrian » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:26 am

Telconi wrote:
Corrian wrote:There is like a 20 point margin where people would rather not, though.


Build a wall, or force a government shutdown?

Rather not force a shutdown over the wall I believe.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:28 am

Corrian wrote:
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Build a wall, or force a government shutdown?

Rather not force a shutdown over the wall I believe.


Yeah, I don't think this wall is anywhere near as popular as Trump thinks it is...
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:40 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Compromise is an essential part of a happy, functioning democracy. The fact that Republicans oft work for the hand of the minority make compromise doubly important where they're concerned, otherwise our happy little democratic Republic becomes no longer happy or democratic.

My only wish is that people showed this level of spine when talking about climate change or the working-class lot. You know, things that matter.


Funny how its only the Republicans that need to compromise *nods*


Funny how I never mentioned that and this is forcing Dems to kowtow to Republicans instead of starting a meaningful conversation *nods*
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:41 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Compromise is an essential part of a happy, functioning democracy. The fact that Republicans oft work for the hand of the minority make compromise doubly important where they're concerned, otherwise our happy little democratic Republic becomes no longer happy or democratic.

My only wish is that people showed this level of spine when talking about climate change or the working-class lot. You know, things that matter.


Funny how its only the Republicans that need to compromise *nods*

This is why: when democrats ask to compromise, it is always something like “okay, we give up minimum wage and you accept some limited background checks for guns”, and Republican politicians will freak out over the notion. When Republican politicians ask for compromise, it’s usually like “So, we are going to block your bipartisan effort to appoint a supreme court judge, and you are going to allow us to ban abortion”. For Republican politicians, compromise just means total surrender of the Democratic positions.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:13 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Funny how its only the Republicans that need to compromise *nods*

This is why: when democrats ask to compromise, it is always something like “okay, we give up minimum wage and you accept some limited background checks for guns”, and Republican politicians will freak out over the notion. When Republican politicians ask for compromise, it’s usually like “So, we are going to block your bipartisan effort to appoint a supreme court judge,

Didn’t happen


and you are going to allow us to ban abortion”. For Republican politicians, compromise just means total surrender of the Democratic positions.


Funny because right now the Democrats view of compromise is “end Trumps agenda. No wall, no matter what.” Lots of pot calling the kettle black there chief.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:15 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Funny how its only the Republicans that need to compromise *nods*

This is why: when democrats ask to compromise, it is always something like “okay, we give up minimum wage and you accept some limited background checks for guns”, and Republican politicians will freak out over the notion. When Republican politicians ask for compromise, it’s usually like “So, we are going to block your bipartisan effort to appoint a supreme court judge, and you are going to allow us to ban abortion”. For Republican politicians, compromise just means total surrender of the Democratic positions.


Indeed, the noble Democrats who never ever make bad compromises...
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:16 am

Valrifell wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Funny how its only the Republicans that need to compromise *nods*


Funny how I never mentioned that and this is forcing Dems to kowtow to Republicans instead of starting a meaningful conversation *nods*


That is basically what you said. Republicans need to compromise, or else it’s their fault the government shuts down. But when the roles are reversed, the narrative is Republicans need to shut up and accept the Democrats Legislative agenda and approve what they say.

In every dialogue it’s always the other side that needs to compromise, never “our” side.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:18 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Funny how I never mentioned that and this is forcing Dems to kowtow to Republicans instead of starting a meaningful conversation *nods*


That is basically what you said. Republicans need to compromise, or else it’s their fault the government shuts down. But when the roles are reversed, the narrative is Republicans need to shut up and accept the Democrats Legislative agenda and approve what they say.

In every dialogue it’s always the other side that needs to compromise, never “our” side.


I thought that we could all like the working man and not destroying the planet.

Silly me, I forgot those were partisan issues for some reason.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:22 am

Valrifell wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
That is basically what you said. Republicans need to compromise, or else it’s their fault the government shuts down. But when the roles are reversed, the narrative is Republicans need to shut up and accept the Democrats Legislative agenda and approve what they say.

In every dialogue it’s always the other side that needs to compromise, never “our” side.


I thought that we could all like the working man and not destroying the planet.

Silly me, I forgot those were partisan issues for some reason.


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