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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:55 pm

Corrian wrote:Apparently Trump is having issues finding a new Chief of Staff.


No one wants to be hired by him. They know he is just going to fire them 3-6 months later.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:58 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Corrian wrote:Apparently Trump is having issues finding a new Chief of Staff.


No one wants to be hired by him. They know he is just going to fire them 3-6 months later.


Loyal men in your political ranks is a good thing (although my pragmatic side would hire literal Nazis if it advanced my political goals and destroyed his credibility).

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:51 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
No one wants to be hired by him. They know he is just going to fire them 3-6 months later.


Loyal men in your political ranks is a good thing (although my pragmatic side would hire literal Nazis if it advanced my political goals and destroyed his credibility).


Hindenburg thought the same thing.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:16 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Loyal men in your political ranks is a good thing (although my pragmatic side would hire literal Nazis if it advanced my political goals and destroyed his credibility).


Hindenburg thought the same thing.


Well, certainly didn't help that he fucking died.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:54 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Hindenburg thought the same thing.


Well, certainly didn't help that he fucking died.


No, but it also really helped the Nazis that he tried to do that in the first place.
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Postby Duhon » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:04 pm

Corrian wrote:Apparently Trump is having issues finding a new Chief of Staff.


This will all be resolved if he nominates his horse to be -- owait -- he doesn't have a horse, does he?

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:15 pm

The Co-operation train keeps getting fuller.

Maria Butina, an accused Russian spy who nuzzled up to the National Rifle Association before the 2016 election, has begun cooperating with federal prosecutors after agreeing to a plea deal in recent days, according to a source familiar with the matter.
News that Butina had seemed to reach a deal with federal prosecutors first broke earlier Monday when her attorneys and prosecutors filed a two-page request on Monday for a "change of plea" hearing before a federal judge. "The parties have resolved this matter," the filing in DC federal court said Monday morning. Butina's case was brought by federal prosecutors in DC and not by Robert Mueller's team in the special counsel's office.
Her cooperation will mainly focus on telling investigators about the role of her boyfriend Paul Erickson and her interactions with her Russian handlers. A spokesman for the US Attorney's office in DC declined to comment. Butina's lawyer declined to comment for the story. A lawyer for Erickson also did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
According to the agreement, part of which was revealed to CNN, Butina "agreed and conspired, with a Russian government official ('Russian Official') and at least one other person, for Butina to act in the United States under the direction of Russian Official without prior notification to the Attorney General."


Get it? Nuzzle up to the NRA? Eh? Nuzzled?

Alright...

Other sources.
Maria Butina, a 30-year-old Russian gun rights activist who stands accused developing a covert influence operation in the United States, has agreed to plead guilty to conspiracy and cooperate with federal, state and local authorities in any ongoing investigations.

She admits, as part of the deal, according to a copy obtained by ABC News that is expected to be filed to the court, that she and an unnamed “U.S. Person 1,” which sources have identified as longtime Republican operative Paul Erickson, with whom she had a multiyear romantic relationship, “agreed and conspired, with a Russian government official (“Russian Official”) and at least one other person, for Butina to act in the United States under the direction of Russian Official without prior notification to the Attorney General.”

Based on the description, the “Russian Official” appears to be Alexander Torshin, deputy governor of the Russian Central Bank and a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Under his direction, the agreement said, she “sought to establish unofficial lines of communication with Americans having power and influence over U.S. politics.”


And another.

Maria Butina, the Russian woman accused of running a secret campaign to influence powerful American conservatives, has agreed to plead guilty to conspiring to act as a foreign agent, bringing to a close a case that had drawn headlines with prosecutors talking of a sly seductress who traded sex to further the aims of her spymasters in Moscow.

But in court papers laying out the plea deal, the portrayal of Ms. Butina is far tamer than the narrative the government put forward after her arrest in July. The latest filings make no mention of the most salacious accusations against Ms. Butina — that she used sex as spycraft — and she instead comes across as the tool of powerful men who helped her to infiltrate the National Rifle Association and the Republican Party.

Prosecutors even appear to have backed off the accusation that Ms. Butina used a graduate program at American University in Washington merely as a cover to enter the United States. “All available evidence indicates that Butina had interest in a graduate school education,” prosecutors say in a footnote.

The deal, which now must be approved by a judge, stipulates that Ms. Butina must cooperate with federal, state and local authorities in exchange for what could be a short prison term, or possibly a release after having already spent five months in jail. As a felon, she will most likely be deported after her release, as was made clear in court filings laying out the deal that were obtained by The New York Times.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:19 pm

Duhon wrote:
Corrian wrote:Apparently Trump is having issues finding a new Chief of Staff.


This will all be resolved if he nominates his horse to be -- owait -- he doesn't have a horse, does he?

Trump did have a horse, Alibi, predictably re-named D.J. Trump. Trump nearly killed him.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:23 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Duhon wrote:
This will all be resolved if he nominates his horse to be -- owait -- he doesn't have a horse, does he?

Trump did have a horse, Alibi, predictably re-named D.J. Trump. Trump nearly killed him.


Jesus that whole article is like an allegorical tale of his presidency.
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Postby Duhon » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:44 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Duhon wrote:
This will all be resolved if he nominates his horse to be -- owait -- he doesn't have a horse, does he?

Trump did have a horse, Alibi, predictably re-named D.J. Trump. Trump nearly killed him.


... I expected Roy fucking Moore, goddammit.

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Postby Corrian » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:49 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
No one wants to be hired by him. They know he is just going to fire them 3-6 months later.


Loyal men in your political ranks is a good thing (although my pragmatic side would hire literal Nazis if it advanced my political goals and destroyed his credibility).

Jeff Sessions was one of the most loyal since the get go, and even he got let off.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:50 pm

Corrian wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Loyal men in your political ranks is a good thing (although my pragmatic side would hire literal Nazis if it advanced my political goals and destroyed his credibility).

Jeff Sessions was one of the most loyal since the get go, and even he got let off.


Welp, I guess somebody's gotta run some tests on Trump's mind.

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Postby Duhon » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:57 pm

He's a narcissist. I mean, he has NPD.

He's got all the hallmarks:

People with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) are characterized by persistent grandiosity, excessive need for admiration, and a personal disdain and lack of empathy for others.[6][7] As such, the person with NPD usually displays arrogance and a distorted sense of superiority, and they seek to establish abusive power and control over others.[8] Self-confidence (a strong sense of self) is different from narcissistic personality disorder; people with NPD typically value themselves over others to the extent that they openly disregard the feelings and wishes of others, and expect to be treated as superior, regardless of their actual status or achievements.[6][9] Moreover, the person with narcissistic personality disorder usually exhibits a fragile ego (self-concept), intolerance of criticism, and a tendency to belittle others in order to validate their own superiority.[9]

The DSM-5 indicates that persons with NPD usually display some or all of the following symptoms, typically without the commensurate qualities or accomplishments:[6][9]

1. Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from other people

2. Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

3. Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions

4. Needing continual admiration from others

5. Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others

6. Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain

7. Unwilling to empathize with the feelings, wishes, and needs of other people
Intensely envious of others, and the belief that others are equally envious of them

8. Pompous and arrogant demeanor

Narcissistic personality disorder usually develops in adolescence or early adulthood.[6] It is not uncommon for children and adolescents to display traits similar to those of NPD, but such occurrences are usually transient, and below the criteria for a diagnosis of NPD.[9] True symptoms of NPD are pervasive, apparent in varied situations, and rigid, remaining consistent over time. The NPD symptoms must be sufficiently severe that they significantly impair the person's capabilities to develop meaningful human relationships. Generally, the symptoms of NPD also impair the person's psychological abilities to function, either at work, or school, or important social settings. The DSM-5 indicates that the traits manifested by the person must substantially differ from cultural norms, in order to qualify as symptoms of NPD.[6]

People with NPD tend to exaggerate their skills, accomplishments, and their level of intimacy with people they consider high-status. This sense of superiority may cause them to monopolize conversations[9] or to become impatient or disdainful when others talk about themselves.[6] When their own ego is wounded by a real or perceived criticism, their anger can be disproportionate to the situation,[9] but typically, their actions and responses are deliberate and calculated.[6] Despite occasional flare-ups of insecurity, their self-image is primarily stable (i.e., overinflated).[6]

To the extent that people are pathologically narcissistic, they can be controlling, blaming, self-absorbed, intolerant of others' views, unaware of others' needs and the effects of their behavior on others, and insist that others see them as they wish to be seen.[6] Narcissistic individuals use various strategies to protect the self at the expense of others. They tend to devalue, derogate, insult, and blame others, and they often respond to threatening feedback with anger and hostility.[10] Since the fragile ego of individuals with NPD is hypersensitive to perceived criticism or defeat, they are prone to feelings of shame, humiliation, and worthlessness over minor or even imagined incidents.[9] They usually mask these feelings from others with feigned humility or by isolating themselves socially, or they may react with outbursts of rage, defiance, or by seeking revenge.[6][7] The merging of the "inflated self-concept" and the "actual self" is seen in the inherent grandiosity of narcissistic personality disorder. Also inherent in this process are the defense mechanisms of denial, idealization and devaluation.[11]

According to the DSM-5: "Many highly successful individuals display personality traits that might be considered narcissistic. Only when these traits are inflexible, maladaptive, and persisting and cause significant functional impairment or subjective distress do they constitute narcissistic personality disorder."[6] Due to the high-functionality associated with narcissism, some people may not view it as an impairment in their lives.[12] Although overconfidence tends to make individuals with NPD ambitious, it does not necessarily lead to success and high achievement professionally. These individuals may be unwilling to compete or may refuse to take any risks in order to avoid appearing like a failure.[6][7] In addition, their inability to tolerate setbacks, disagreements, or criticism, along with lack of empathy, make it difficult for such individuals to work cooperatively with others or to maintain long-term professional relationships with superiors and colleagues.[13]
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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:58 pm

Corrian wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Loyal men in your political ranks is a good thing (although my pragmatic side would hire literal Nazis if it advanced my political goals and destroyed his credibility).

Jeff Sessions was one of the most loyal since the get go, and even he got let off.


But "loyal" means "commit the crimes I tell you to" And Sessions wasn't that sort of loyal.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:28 pm

Telconi wrote:
Corrian wrote:Jeff Sessions was one of the most loyal since the get go, and even he got let off.


But "loyal" means "commit the crimes I tell you to" And Sessions wasn't that sort of loyal.

Sessions was more loyal to the Constitution than Trump, and Donnie’s ego couldn’t take it.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:42 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But "loyal" means "commit the crimes I tell you to" And Sessions wasn't that sort of loyal.

Sessions was more loyal to the Constitution than Trump, and Donnie’s ego couldn’t take it.


Pretty much.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:57 pm

Duhon wrote:He's a narcissist. I mean, he has NPD.

He's got all the hallmarks:

-snippy-


I would refrain from making armchair diagnoses, no matter how self-evident it may seem. For one, you're not a trained professional and, even if you were, the APA considers it unethical to diagnose a patient without the proper means to do that and typically frown upon forays into politics.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:01 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Sessions was more loyal to the Constitution than Trump, and Donnie’s ego couldn’t take it.


Pretty much.


You fascinate me. You agree that Trump has no commitment to the US Constitution and has breached it repeatedly, but you prefer him to Hillary who never breached the US Constitution.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:07 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Pretty much.


You fascinate me. You agree that Trump has no commitment to the US Constitution and has breached it repeatedly, but you prefer him to Hillary who never breached the US Constitution.


Human Rights > Constitution
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:14 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You fascinate me. You agree that Trump has no commitment to the US Constitution and has breached it repeatedly, but you prefer him to Hillary who never breached the US Constitution.


Human Rights > Constitution


What do you mean?

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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:17 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Human Rights > Constitution


What do you mean?


I consider human rights abuses to be worse than unconstitutional acts. That the courts do not strike down such abuses does not vindicate them, rather it simply indicates that the courts are flawed.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:27 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
What do you mean?


I consider human rights abuses to be worse than unconstitutional acts. That the courts do not strike down such abuses does not vindicate them, rather it simply indicates that the courts are flawed.


:(

The courts can never be perfect.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:27 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I consider human rights abuses to be worse than unconstitutional acts. That the courts do not strike down such abuses does not vindicate them, rather it simply indicates that the courts are flawed.


:(

The courts can never be perfect.


Indeed.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:29 pm

I mean.. there's probably some case to be made that the world does need a less conciliatory and a more straightforward President at the helm, trying to be nice to everyone doesn't seem to be working in an increasingly riven world. The global economy is in a very shaky place and it's likely that some hard if not uncomfortable decisions will need to be made. I talk of the breakdown of the post-WW2 consensus whereby good initial intentions have become shrouded in such bullshit talk that little is done to actually address some critical global issues.

However it's all undercut by the fact that Trump is such as massive fucking knobhead.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:30 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
:(

The courts can never be perfect.


Indeed.


But they seem to be doing pretty well so far.

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