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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:50 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Valgora wrote:Switching to an older formal military dress is fine.
Switching to an outdated and less efficient system to launch aircraft from aircraft carriers simply because it looks cooler ain't fine.
Also, you trying to justify it with "we're also switching back to pinks and greens because they look cooler" is stupid.

You say that, but “Do everything because it looks and sounds cool” worked for Gurren Lagann. >.>

What a day, when the military should be run like a weeb club.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:53 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Luminesa wrote:You say that, but “Do everything because it looks and sounds cool” worked for Gurren Lagann. >.>

What a day, when the military should be run like a weeb club.

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Postby Hurricania Imperium » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:00 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Loben wrote:
more like an army with a state.


Friendly reminder that Prussia no longer exists at all, so.

Actually...
https://micronations.wiki/wiki/Free_Sta ... ew_Prussia

Oh, and...
http://prussiankingdom.com/
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:00 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Loben wrote:
at least i dont want to target minorities.

I'm not saying you're a literal Nazi lol, I'm saying that if your idea is "let's not end up like Europe", then following the exact same steps that the Europeans followed to get to where they are seems pretty fucking stupid lol


According to Vassenor Europe is the way it is because of representative democracy.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:02 pm

Telconi wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I'm not saying you're a literal Nazi lol, I'm saying that if your idea is "let's not end up like Europe", then following the exact same steps that the Europeans followed to get to where they are seems pretty fucking stupid lol


According to Vassenor Europe is the way it is because of representative democracy.

...cool, I guess? Is there a point here that's relevant to me, or is this just trying to snipe at Vass? :p
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:06 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Telconi wrote:
According to Vassenor Europe is the way it is because of representative democracy.

...cool, I guess? Is there a point here that's relevant to me, or is this just trying to snipe at Vass? :p


The point is, if we don't wanna end up like Europe, we should do something different from what they do right?
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:07 pm

Telconi wrote:
Senkaku wrote:...cool, I guess? Is there a point here that's relevant to me, or is this just trying to snipe at Vass? :p


The point is, if we don't wanna end up like Europe, we should do something different from what they do right?

Ohh this is part of your whole authoritarian schtick okay

Well, I guess it all depends on your fuckin interpretation, Tel, so draw the conclusions you wanna draw or whatever lol
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Gauthier wrote:How many times a month did Kennedy visit Dallas?


Only once. He got a mindblowing reception though

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Conserative Morality wrote:Sanders/Trump 2016

Mexico will pay for our universal healthcare!

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Dogmeat wrote:The strobe was a little much.

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Postby Valgora » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
Senkaku wrote:...cool, I guess? Is there a point here that's relevant to me, or is this just trying to snipe at Vass? :p


The point is, if we don't wanna end up like Europe, we should do something different from what they do right?

But that doesn't mean we should turn America into a military dictatorship like Loben wants.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:09 pm

Just on the difference between China, Europe and the US.. it was neatly caught in an article on attitudes to data. In China it is assumed that data is owned by the state first and foremost. In the US it is assumed data is held by the corporations who extract it. In Europe it's assumed data is owned by the individual. Hence Europe has GDPR whereas the other two don't.

Frankly Europe has the very best ideals when it comes to the welfare and benefit of the individual. China places the state first and the US is caught in believing the marketing of corporations that to buy their products is freedom, a tactic refined by the tobacco industry.

And that very much explains how Trump can sell his bullshit under the name of freedom.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:44 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The point is, if we don't wanna end up like Europe, we should do something different from what they do right?

Ohh this is part of your whole authoritarian schtick okay

Well, I guess it all depends on your fuckin interpretation, Tel, so draw the conclusions you wanna draw or whatever lol


Oh boy, I'm sure glad Senkaku has given me permission to have free will... :roll:
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:19 pm

Hurricania Imperium wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Friendly reminder that Prussia no longer exists at all, so.

Actually...
https://micronations.wiki/wiki/Free_Sta ... ew_Prussia

Oh, and...
http://prussiankingdom.com/

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:54 pm

Man, if only there were some sort of website or forum type thing where people could just make their own nations and then fantasy roleplay whatever their weird theoretical governance they wanted and piss on each other about the merits and problems with their pet political fantasy and then, in a little corner marked "General" maybe, discussions of real world events and politics could take place.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:56 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Man, if only there were some sort of website or forum type thing where people could just make their own nations and then fantasy roleplay whatever their weird theoretical governance they wanted and piss on each other about the merits and problems with their pet political fantasy and then, in a little corner marked "General" maybe, discussions of real world events and politics could take place.


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Postby Duhon » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:58 pm

Valgora wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The point is, if we don't wanna end up like Europe, we should do something different from what they do right?

But that doesn't mean we should turn America into a military dictatorship like Loben wants.


Unless Loben really wants that Europe to come right along and is using the junta to hasten the process.

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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:59 pm

Loben wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I mean, like, I wouldn't agree with just advocating for a junta for it's own sake either- but saying that we need to do it to avoid being "soft" or whatever like the Europeans, while simultaneously acknowledging that that perceived softness is a direct result of Europe's experiences with militarism and authoritarianism seems... counterintuitive.

Unless the idea is that THIS dictatorship really will finally be the one that successfully lasts for 10,000 years or whatever lol which is even dumber


at least i dont want to target minorities.


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Postby Jerzyland » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:29 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Man, if only there were some sort of website or forum type thing where people could just make their own nations and then fantasy roleplay whatever their weird theoretical governance they wanted and piss on each other about the merits and problems with their pet political fantasy and then, in a little corner marked "General" maybe, discussions of real world events and politics could take place.


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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:40 pm

Duhon wrote:
Loben wrote:
at least i dont want to target minorities.


No, you'll just be a dick to everyone but you. Equal opportunity!


That seems pretty run-of-the-mill these days.
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:51 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Man, if only there were some sort of website or forum type thing where people could just make their own nations and then fantasy roleplay whatever their weird theoretical governance they wanted and piss on each other about the merits and problems with their pet political fantasy and then, in a little corner marked "General" maybe, discussions of real world events and politics could take place.


I've never felt more attacked, tbh.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:31 pm

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i can think of like.....a dozen more qualified people.


Not the point. If he’s throwing out statements like that, it means he’s planning on running. You don’t say that and not run.

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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:33 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Loben wrote:
i can think of like.....a dozen more qualified people.


Not the point. If he’s throwing out statements like that, it means he’s planning on running. You don’t say that and not run.

Biden runs, dems win.


Largely depends on how Biden-y Biden is by the end.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:52 pm


How the fuck does this dude still find people who will work for him?
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Cannot think of a name wrote:

How the fuck does this dude still find people who will work for him?

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Postby Jerzylvania » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:10 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:

How the fuck does this dude still find people who will work for him?


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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:17 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:How the fuck does this dude still find people who will work for him?

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