MAGAThread XIV: All persons born or naturalized ...

[Maineiacs]

Under a system that ran on direct democracy instead of the electoral college, it's likely neither would have won the nomination.
Also, still salty about her loss? Isn't she supposed to not be relevant any more?

She's only relevant to Democrat Republican talking points.

FTFY

[Proctopeo]

She's only relevant to Democrat Republican talking points.

FTFY

Vass is the strangest Republican I've ever met, then.

[Zurkerx]

I literally thought you were making this up until a quick Google search confirmed that this is true...

Well, Trump did say at one point that maybe he doesn't need a Chief of Staff so, it looks like he may not get one.

He should have taken the job IMO.

And inherit the god awful mess that Trump and his administration is in? I don't blame him, and even I wouldn't be that desperate.

[Knask]

He should have taken the job IMO.

And inherit the god awful mess that Trump and his administration is in? I don't blame him, and even I wouldn't be that desperate.

Santorum's middle name is "god awful mess".

[Knask]

The National Enquirer's parent company has admitted to prosecutors that it made the $150,000 payment in "concert with" the Trump campaign in order to ensure that the woman did not publicize damaging allegations about the candidate before the 2016 presidential election.

"AMI further admitted that its principal purpose in making the payment was to suppress the woman’s story so as to prevent it from influencing the election."

[Vassenor]

The National Enquirer's parent company has admitted to prosecutors that it made the $150,000 payment in "concert with" the Trump campaign in order to ensure that the woman did not publicize damaging allegations about the candidate before the 2016 presidential election.

"AMI further admitted that its principal purpose in making the payment was to suppress the woman’s story so as to prevent it from influencing the election."

Now with added sauce.

[Telconi]

She's only relevant to Democrat Republican talking points.

FTFY

Yeah. because "America is undemocratic because Hillary won the pop vote" is a Republican talking point, made by that hardcore Republican Vassenor...

[The Black Forrest]

FTFY

Vass is the strangest Republican I've ever met, then.

I believe the comment is about H.

[Tarsonis]

afaiC, the international ranking of democracies can kiss our ass. The United States is not a democracy, it's a Federalist Republic.

I'm really getting tired of this meme the Right keeps rehashing that the fact that we're not a Direct Democracy means that we aren't any type of Democracy at all.

By definition we are not. A Democracy and a Republic can both be by direct vote or by representation. The difference is in a Democracy Majority rules, and in a Republic there are legal parameters to what the majority can rule on. I.e there are fundamental laws not subject to majority rule like civil rights etc. We are Republic, we have a constitution of laws that override the Majority Rule.

We’re also not a true republic either because our Constitution can be amended by super majority, thus were classified as a Democratic Republic.

The point of that meme though is that it doesn’t matter that Clinton won the PV. What matters is the Law and the Law states that the EC determines who the President is. By the EC, Trump won the presidency, legally and fair.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I'm really getting tired of this meme the Right keeps rehashing that the fact that we're not a Direct Democracy means that we aren't any type of Democracy at all.

By definition we are not. A Democracy and a Republic can both be by direct vote or by representation. The difference is in a Democracy Majority rules, and in a Republic there are legal parameters to what the majority can rule on. I.e there are fundamental laws not subject to majority rule like civil rights etc. We are Republic, we have a constitution of laws that override the Majority Rule.

We’re also not a true republic either because our Constitution can be amended by super majority, thus were classified as a Democratic Republic.

The point of that meme though is that it doesn’t matter that Clinton won the PV. What matters is the Law and the Law states that the EC determines who the President is. By the EC, Trump won the presidency, legally and fair.

I understand this but personally I feel like the selection process for the president shouldn’t be a complicated system that I’ve never been able to understand

[Valrifell]

By definition we are not. A Democracy and a Republic can both be by direct vote or by representation. The difference is in a Democracy Majority rules, and in a Republic there are legal parameters to what the majority can rule on. I.e there are fundamental laws not subject to majority rule like civil rights etc. We are Republic, we have a constitution of laws that override the Majority Rule.

We’re also not a true republic either because our Constitution can be amended by super majority, thus were classified as a Democratic Republic.

The point of that meme though is that it doesn’t matter that Clinton won the PV. What matters is the Law and the Law states that the EC determines who the President is. By the EC, Trump won the presidency, legally and fair.

I understand this but personally I feel like the selection process for the president shouldn’t be a complicated system that I’ve never been able to understand

Could be worse, we could have a system akin to the Venetian Republic or the Holy Roman Empire

*shudders*

[Trumptonium1]

If recent events are anything to go by, I presume that's Antifa's fault for rioting against democracy.

Or maybe PETA for liberating domesticated animals to heaven. Although the horse cooperated with Trump, and Trump is Hitler, and Hitler is in hell, so we know the horse must have gone there too.

>rioting against democracy

I shouldn't have to remind you that under a democratic system Clinton would've won given that she got the most actual votes.

Your interpretation of 'actual votes' appears to be a little too liberal.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I understand this but personally I feel like the selection process for the president shouldn’t be a complicated system that I’ve never been able to understand

Could be worse, we could have a system akin to the Venetian Republic or the Holy Roman Empire

*shudders*

No anything but the worms

[Tarsonis]

By definition we are not. A Democracy and a Republic can both be by direct vote or by representation. The difference is in a Democracy Majority rules, and in a Republic there are legal parameters to what the majority can rule on. I.e there are fundamental laws not subject to majority rule like civil rights etc. We are Republic, we have a constitution of laws that override the Majority Rule.

We’re also not a true republic either because our Constitution can be amended by super majority, thus were classified as a Democratic Republic.

The point of that meme though is that it doesn’t matter that Clinton won the PV. What matters is the Law and the Law states that the EC determines who the President is. By the EC, Trump won the presidency, legally and fair.

I understand this but personally I feel like the selection process for the president shouldn’t be a complicated system that I’ve never been able to understand

I mean I'm not sure what to say about that other than it's pretty simple:

EC Votes apportioned to states per number of congressional districts in each state.
Winner takes all Electoral votes at the state level (with the exceptions of ME and NE who split)
Electors cast votes in what's all but a ceremonial election in December.
First to 270 wins the Presidency.

(Used to be way more complicated when Electors could vote any way they wanted, but most if not all states have passed laws requiring Electors to abide by popular vote of each state.)

[Internationalist Bastard]

I understand this but personally I feel like the selection process for the president shouldn’t be a complicated system that I’ve never been able to understand

I mean I'm not sure what to say about that other than it's pretty simple:

EC Votes apportioned to states per number of congressional districts in each state.
Winner takes all Electoral votes at the state level (with the exceptions of ME and NE who split)
Electors cast votes in what's all but a ceremonial election in December.
First to 270 wins the Presidency.

(Used to be way more complicated when Electors could vote any way they wanted, but most if not all states have passed laws requiring Electors to abide by popular vote of each state.)

I appreciate that you underestimated my stupidity but I have no clue what that means

[Thuzbekistan]

I mean I'm not sure what to say about that other than it's pretty simple:

EC Votes apportioned to states per number of congressional districts in each state.
Winner takes all Electoral votes at the state level (with the exceptions of ME and NE who split)
Electors cast votes in what's all but a ceremonial election in December.
First to 270 wins the Presidency.

(Used to be way more complicated when Electors could vote any way they wanted, but most if not all states have passed laws requiring Electors to abide by popular vote of each state.)

I appreciate that you underestimated my stupidity but I have no clue what that means

Ah, there are very good videos on the matter. I do wish to remind you that ignorance of a system is not sound reason to throw it out.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I appreciate that you underestimated my stupidity but I have no clue what that means

Ah, there are very good videos on the matter. I do wish to remind you that ignorance of a system is not sound reason to throw it out.

All I’m saying is it seems more fair for people to actually know how the hell the system works

[Thuzbekistan]

Ah, there are very good videos on the matter. I do wish to remind you that ignorance of a system is not sound reason to throw it out.

All I’m saying is it seems more fair for people to actually know how the hell the system works

https://youtu.be/OUS9mM8Xbbw

There ya go.

[Tarsonis]

I mean I'm not sure what to say about that other than it's pretty simple:

EC Votes apportioned to states per number of congressional districts in each state.
Winner takes all Electoral votes at the state level (with the exceptions of ME and NE who split)
Electors cast votes in what's all but a ceremonial election in December.
First to 270 wins the Presidency.

(Used to be way more complicated when Electors could vote any way they wanted, but most if not all states have passed laws requiring Electors to abide by popular vote of each state.)

I appreciate that you underestimated my stupidity but I have no clue what that means

Okay quick and dirty version.

Each state has X amount of votes in the Electoral College, where X= the number of Seats in both The House and the Senate (DC just gets 3, because amendments)
I.e CA has 55 electoral votes (53 Congresspersons and 2 senators)
The Candidate that wins the popular vote in each states receives said Electoral Votes.
i.e Hillary won the popular vote in California, and thus received said 55 Electoral Votes.
Trump won Texas and received 38 electoral votes, (36 congresspersons and 2 senators)
The first candidate to win enough states, so that they receive at least 270 electoral votes, is the next president.

Trump won 30 States for a total of 306 Electoral Votes.
Clinton won 20 States and DC, for a total of 232 votes.
Trump wins.

Better?

[Telconi]

Ah, there are very good videos on the matter. I do wish to remind you that ignorance of a system is not sound reason to throw it out.

All I’m saying is it seems more fair for people to actually know how the hell the system works

Then learn how it works?

[Gran Virginia]

By definition we are not. A Democracy and a Republic can both be by direct vote or by representation. The difference is in a Democracy Majority rules, and in a Republic there are legal parameters to what the majority can rule on. I.e there are fundamental laws not subject to majority rule like civil rights etc. We are Republic, we have a constitution of laws that override the Majority Rule.

We’re also not a true republic either because our Constitution can be amended by super majority, thus were classified as a Democratic Republic.

The point of that meme though is that it doesn’t matter that Clinton won the PV. What matters is the Law and the Law states that the EC determines who the President is. By the EC, Trump won the presidency, legally and fair.

I understand this but personally I feel like the selection process for the president shouldn’t be a complicated system that I’ve never been able to understand

The EC is a good middle ground between popular vote and state vote.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I appreciate that you underestimated my stupidity but I have no clue what that means

Okay quick and dirty version.

Each state has X amount of votes in the Electoral College, where X= the number of Seats in both The House and the Senate (DC just gets 3, because amendments)
I.e CA has 55 electoral votes (53 Congresspersons and 2 senators)
The Candidate that wins the popular vote in each states receives said Electoral Votes.
i.e Hillary won the popular vote in California, and thus received said 55 Electoral Votes.
Trump won Texas and received 38 electoral votes, (36 congresspersons and 2 senators)
The first candidate to win enough states, so that they receive at least 270 electoral votes, is the next president.

Trump won 30 States for a total of 306 Electoral Votes.
Clinton won 20 States and DC, for a total of 232 votes.
Trump wins.

Better?

So more states voted for trump but more people voted for Hillary

[Gran Virginia]

Okay quick and dirty version.

Each state has X amount of votes in the Electoral College, where X= the number of Seats in both The House and the Senate (DC just gets 3, because amendments)
I.e CA has 55 electoral votes (53 Congresspersons and 2 senators)
The Candidate that wins the popular vote in each states receives said Electoral Votes.
i.e Hillary won the popular vote in California, and thus received said 55 Electoral Votes.
Trump won Texas and received 38 electoral votes, (36 congresspersons and 2 senators)
The first candidate to win enough states, so that they receive at least 270 electoral votes, is the next president.

Trump won 30 States for a total of 306 Electoral Votes.
Clinton won 20 States and DC, for a total of 232 votes.
Trump wins.

Better?

So more states voted for trump but more people voted for Hillary

Yes, more states, but what actually matters is more electors.

[Internationalist Bastard]

So more states voted for trump but more people voted for Hillary

Yes, more states, but what actually matters is more electors.

What?

[Tarsonis]

All I’m saying is it seems more fair for people to actually know how the hell the system works

https://youtu.be/OUS9mM8Xbbw

There ya go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyIFqf3XH24

Can't beat the classics