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Ifreann wrote:Cohen gets 36 months.

Tarsonis wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Cohen gets 36 months.

At a white color facility most likely. Is that even a punishment?

Major-Tom wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
At a white color facility most likely. Is that even a punishment?

"He has pleaded guilty to multiple crimes, including campaign finance violations, tax evasion, and lying to congress."

I think the latter charge, really, should result in Mr. Cohen receiving a heftier sentence. But he's receiving a sentence nonetheless, and I wouldn't equate it to a slap on the wrist. I'll say I'm satisfied, but a few extra years wouldn't have hurt.

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Because his horse is dead.

If recent events are anything to go by, I presume that's Antifa's fault for rioting against democracy.

Or maybe PETA for liberating domesticated animals to heaven. Although the horse cooperated with Trump, and Trump is Hitler, and Hitler is in hell, so we know the horse must have gone there too.

Major-Tom wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
At a white color facility most likely. Is that even a punishment?

"He has pleaded guilty to multiple crimes, including campaign finance violations, tax evasion, and lying to congress."

I think the latter charge, really, should result in Mr. Cohen receiving a heftier sentence. But he's receiving a sentence nonetheless, and I wouldn't equate it to a slap on the wrist. I'll say I'm satisfied, but a few extra years wouldn't have hurt.

Tobleste wrote:

Zurkerx wrote:
It's quite clear he's hoping that others don't noticed this and the GOP majority, and that Democrats will be blamed for holding the government hostage. I don't see it working out.

True, his voters will not blame him if the government shuts down; his voters don't hold him responsible for his own words. Independents might though and they're who cost him the house. In 2020, they may cost him the White House.

Vassenor wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
If recent events are anything to go by, I presume that's Antifa's fault for rioting against democracy.

Or maybe PETA for liberating domesticated animals to heaven. Although the horse cooperated with Trump, and Trump is Hitler, and Hitler is in hell, so we know the horse must have gone there too.

>rioting against democracy

I shouldn't have to remind you that under a democratic system Clinton would've won given that she got the most actual votes.

Tarsonis wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
"He has pleaded guilty to multiple crimes, including campaign finance violations, tax evasion, and lying to congress."

I think the latter charge, really, should result in Mr. Cohen receiving a heftier sentence. But he's receiving a sentence nonetheless, and I wouldn't equate it to a slap on the wrist. I'll say I'm satisfied, but a few extra years wouldn't have hurt.

3 years in the same California HIlton that Belfort stayed in most likely. Hardly a slap on anything.

Major-Tom wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
At a white color facility most likely. Is that even a punishment?

"He has pleaded guilty to multiple crimes, including campaign finance violations, tax evasion, and lying to congress."

I think the latter charge, really, should result in Mr. Cohen receiving a heftier sentence. But he's receiving a sentence nonetheless, and I wouldn't equate it to a slap on the wrist. I'll say I'm satisfied, but a few extra years wouldn't have hurt.

Vassenor wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
If recent events are anything to go by, I presume that's Antifa's fault for rioting against democracy.

Or maybe PETA for liberating domesticated animals to heaven. Although the horse cooperated with Trump, and Trump is Hitler, and Hitler is in hell, so we know the horse must have gone there too.

>rioting against democracy

I shouldn't have to remind you that under a democratic system Clinton would've won given that she got the most actual votes.

Telconi wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
>rioting against democracy

I shouldn't have to remind you that under a democratic system Clinton would've won given that she got the most actual votes.

But we have a democratic system...

Tobleste wrote:

Telconi wrote:
But we have a democratic system...

Democratic-ish. No real democracies are 100% democratic but America's Senate is chosen by states not people, EC is part states and part people and House elections are not exact reflections of the popular will so they're all pretty undemocratic for a country that prides itself on it's democracy.

Afaik, an international ranking of democracies ranks the US as a "flawed democracy".

Tobleste wrote:

Telconi wrote:
But we have a democratic system...

Democratic-ish. No real democracies are 100% democratic but America's Senate is chosen by states not people, EC is part states and part people and House elections are not exact reflections of the popular will so they're all pretty undemocratic for a country that prides itself on it's democracy.

Afaik, an international ranking of democracies ranks the US as a "flawed democracy".

Tarsonis wrote:

Tobleste wrote:
Democratic-ish. No real democracies are 100% democratic but America's Senate is chosen by states not people, EC is part states and part people and House elections are not exact reflections of the popular will so they're all pretty undemocratic for a country that prides itself on it's democracy.

Afaik, an international ranking of democracies ranks the US as a "flawed democracy".

afaiC, the international ranking of democracies can kiss our ass. The United States is not a democracy, it's a Federalist Republic.

Tarsonis wrote:

Tobleste wrote:
Democratic-ish. No real democracies are 100% democratic but America's Senate is chosen by states not people, EC is part states and part people and House elections are not exact reflections of the popular will so they're all pretty undemocratic for a country that prides itself on it's democracy.

Afaik, an international ranking of democracies ranks the US as a "flawed democracy".

afaiC, the international ranking of democracies can kiss our ass. The United States is not a democracy, it's a Federalist Republic.

Telconi wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
afaiC, the international ranking of democracies can kiss our ass. The United States is not a democracy, it's a Federalist Republic.

Besides, those flaws are in fact features, intentionally placed to improve the system. So we're a featured democracy, not a flawed one.

Knask wrote:It's linguistically amusing to me that the sentence "Donald Trump can't even get Santorum to be his chief of staff" is factually correct in two different ways.

Valrifell wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Besides, those flaws are in fact features, intentionally placed to improve the system. So we're a featured democracy, not a flawed one.

You'd have a better argument if we didn't have mechanisms to change how our government works and have done so before.

Zurkerx wrote:

Knask wrote:It's linguistically amusing to me that the sentence "Donald Trump can't even get Santorum to be his chief of staff" is factually correct in two different ways.

I literally thought you were making this up until a quick Google search confirmed that this is true...

Well, Trump did say at one point that maybe he doesn't need a Chief of Staff so, it looks like he may not get one.

Valrifell wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
afaiC, the international ranking of democracies can kiss our ass. The United States is not a democracy, it's a Federalist Republic.

Part of me dies everytime I hear this argument.

You know darn heckin well that we're a Democratic Federal Republic barring the Presidency. Hardly a disqualifier.

Zurkerx wrote:

Knask wrote:It's linguistically amusing to me that the sentence "Donald Trump can't even get Santorum to be his chief of staff" is factually correct in two different ways.

I literally thought you were making this up until a quick Google search confirmed that this is true...

Well, Trump did say at one point that maybe he doesn't need a Chief of Staff so, it looks like he may not get one.

Vassenor wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
If recent events are anything to go by, I presume that's Antifa's fault for rioting against democracy.

Or maybe PETA for liberating domesticated animals to heaven. Although the horse cooperated with Trump, and Trump is Hitler, and Hitler is in hell, so we know the horse must have gone there too.

>rioting against democracy

I shouldn't have to remind you that under a democratic system Clinton would've won given that she got the most actual votes.

Tarsonis wrote:

Tobleste wrote:
Democratic-ish. No real democracies are 100% democratic but America's Senate is chosen by states not people, EC is part states and part people and House elections are not exact reflections of the popular will so they're all pretty undemocratic for a country that prides itself on it's democracy.

Afaik, an international ranking of democracies ranks the US as a "flawed democracy".

afaiC, the international ranking of democracies can kiss our ass. The United States is not a democracy, it's a Federalist Republic.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Presidential harassment is a term coined either by Trump or his followers. In principle, it is mindless negativity towards the president in order to get under his skin, but in practice, it has been used to describe any criticism of president Trump. And, if you think that the Russia investigation is meant to criticise Trump, then it falls under wat they call 'presidential harassment'.

Trump has faced an unprecedented level of negativity though.

Proctopeo wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
>rioting against democracy

I shouldn't have to remind you that under a democratic system Clinton would've won given that she got the most actual votes.

Under a system that ran on direct democracy instead of the electoral college, it's likely neither would have won the nomination.
Also, still salty about her loss? Isn't she supposed to not be relevant any more?