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[Tarsonis]

Cohen gets 36 months.

At a white color facility most likely. Is that even a punishment?

[Major-Tom]

Cohen gets 36 months.

At a white color facility most likely. Is that even a punishment?

"He has pleaded guilty to multiple crimes, including campaign finance violations, tax evasion, and lying to congress."

I think the latter charge, really, should result in Mr. Cohen receiving a heftier sentence. But he's receiving a sentence nonetheless, and I wouldn't equate it to a slap on the wrist. I'll say I'm satisfied, but a few extra years wouldn't have hurt.

[Tarsonis]

At a white color facility most likely. Is that even a punishment?

"He has pleaded guilty to multiple crimes, including campaign finance violations, tax evasion, and lying to congress."

I think the latter charge, really, should result in Mr. Cohen receiving a heftier sentence. But he's receiving a sentence nonetheless, and I wouldn't equate it to a slap on the wrist. I'll say I'm satisfied, but a few extra years wouldn't have hurt.

3 years in the same California HIlton that Belfort stayed in most likely. Hardly a slap on anything.

[Vassenor]

Because his horse is dead.

If recent events are anything to go by, I presume that's Antifa's fault for rioting against democracy.

Or maybe PETA for liberating domesticated animals to heaven. Although the horse cooperated with Trump, and Trump is Hitler, and Hitler is in hell, so we know the horse must have gone there too.

>rioting against democracy

I shouldn't have to remind you that under a democratic system Clinton would've won given that she got the most actual votes.

[Zurkerx]

At a white color facility most likely. Is that even a punishment?

"He has pleaded guilty to multiple crimes, including campaign finance violations, tax evasion, and lying to congress."

I think the latter charge, really, should result in Mr. Cohen receiving a heftier sentence. But he's receiving a sentence nonetheless, and I wouldn't equate it to a slap on the wrist. I'll say I'm satisfied, but a few extra years wouldn't have hurt.

He could have got 5-6 years. I believe lying to Congress would have only got him 6 months, so it seems this a combination of both here.

It's quite clear he's hoping that others don't noticed this and the GOP majority, and that Democrats will be blamed for holding the government hostage. I don't see it working out.

True, his voters will not blame him if the government shuts down; his voters don't hold him responsible for his own words. Independents might though and they're who cost him the house. In 2020, they may cost him the White House.

Unless the Democrats nominate a lousy candidate and the independents hate said candidate. But it is a worrying sign for the President.

[Tarsonis]

If recent events are anything to go by, I presume that's Antifa's fault for rioting against democracy.

Or maybe PETA for liberating domesticated animals to heaven. Although the horse cooperated with Trump, and Trump is Hitler, and Hitler is in hell, so we know the horse must have gone there too.

>rioting against democracy

I shouldn't have to remind you that under a democratic system Clinton would've won given that she got the most actual votes.

Yeah, that's not a flaw of our system, it's a feature.

[Major-Tom]

"He has pleaded guilty to multiple crimes, including campaign finance violations, tax evasion, and lying to congress."

I think the latter charge, really, should result in Mr. Cohen receiving a heftier sentence. But he's receiving a sentence nonetheless, and I wouldn't equate it to a slap on the wrist. I'll say I'm satisfied, but a few extra years wouldn't have hurt.

3 years in the same California HIlton that Belfort stayed in most likely. Hardly a slap on anything.

Don't forget Tommy Chong, he found himself at that same Residence Inn(mates).

[Corrian]

At a white color facility most likely. Is that even a punishment?

"He has pleaded guilty to multiple crimes, including campaign finance violations, tax evasion, and lying to congress."

I think the latter charge, really, should result in Mr. Cohen receiving a heftier sentence. But he's receiving a sentence nonetheless, and I wouldn't equate it to a slap on the wrist. I'll say I'm satisfied, but a few extra years wouldn't have hurt.

Pretty sure it's plea deal stuff for cooperating.

[Telconi]

If recent events are anything to go by, I presume that's Antifa's fault for rioting against democracy.

Or maybe PETA for liberating domesticated animals to heaven. Although the horse cooperated with Trump, and Trump is Hitler, and Hitler is in hell, so we know the horse must have gone there too.

>rioting against democracy

I shouldn't have to remind you that under a democratic system Clinton would've won given that she got the most actual votes.

But we have a democratic system...

[Tobleste]

>rioting against democracy

I shouldn't have to remind you that under a democratic system Clinton would've won given that she got the most actual votes.

But we have a democratic system...

Democratic-ish. No real democracies are 100% democratic but America's Senate is chosen by states not people, EC is part states and part people and House elections are not exact reflections of the popular will so they're all pretty undemocratic for a country that prides itself on it's democracy.

Afaik, an international ranking of democracies ranks the US as a "flawed democracy".

[Tarsonis]

But we have a democratic system...

Democratic-ish. No real democracies are 100% democratic but America's Senate is chosen by states not people, EC is part states and part people and House elections are not exact reflections of the popular will so they're all pretty undemocratic for a country that prides itself on it's democracy.

Afaik, an international ranking of democracies ranks the US as a "flawed democracy".

afaiC, the international ranking of democracies can kiss our ass. The United States is not a democracy, it's a Federalist Republic.

[Telconi]

But we have a democratic system...

Democratic-ish. No real democracies are 100% democratic but America's Senate is chosen by states not people, EC is part states and part people and House elections are not exact reflections of the popular will so they're all pretty undemocratic for a country that prides itself on it's democracy.

Afaik, an international ranking of democracies ranks the US as a "flawed democracy".

We could choose officials by lots...

[Valrifell]

Democratic-ish. No real democracies are 100% democratic but America's Senate is chosen by states not people, EC is part states and part people and House elections are not exact reflections of the popular will so they're all pretty undemocratic for a country that prides itself on it's democracy.

Afaik, an international ranking of democracies ranks the US as a "flawed democracy".

afaiC, the international ranking of democracies can kiss our ass. The United States is not a democracy, it's a Federalist Republic.

Part of me dies everytime I hear this argument.

You know darn heckin well that we're a Democratic Federal Republic barring the Presidency. Hardly a disqualifier.

[Knask]

It's linguistically amusing to me that the sentence "Donald Trump can't even get Santorum to be his chief of staff" is factually correct in two different ways.

[Telconi]

Democratic-ish. No real democracies are 100% democratic but America's Senate is chosen by states not people, EC is part states and part people and House elections are not exact reflections of the popular will so they're all pretty undemocratic for a country that prides itself on it's democracy.

Afaik, an international ranking of democracies ranks the US as a "flawed democracy".

afaiC, the international ranking of democracies can kiss our ass. The United States is not a democracy, it's a Federalist Republic.

Besides, those flaws are in fact features, intentionally placed to improve the system. So we're a featured democracy, not a flawed one.

[Valrifell]

afaiC, the international ranking of democracies can kiss our ass. The United States is not a democracy, it's a Federalist Republic.

Besides, those flaws are in fact features, intentionally placed to improve the system. So we're a featured democracy, not a flawed one.

You'd have a better argument if we didn't have mechanisms to change how our government works and have done so before.

[Zurkerx]

It's linguistically amusing to me that the sentence "Donald Trump can't even get Santorum to be his chief of staff" is factually correct in two different ways.

I literally thought you were making this up until a quick Google search confirmed that this is true...

Well, Trump did say at one point that maybe he doesn't need a Chief of Staff so, it looks like he may not get one.

[Telconi]

Besides, those flaws are in fact features, intentionally placed to improve the system. So we're a featured democracy, not a flawed one.

You'd have a better argument if we didn't have mechanisms to change how our government works and have done so before.

I don't see how that's a relevant point...

[Telconi]

It's linguistically amusing to me that the sentence "Donald Trump can't even get Santorum to be his chief of staff" is factually correct in two different ways.

I literally thought you were making this up until a quick Google search confirmed that this is true...

Well, Trump did say at one point that maybe he doesn't need a Chief of Staff so, it looks like he may not get one.

He should have taken the job IMO.

[Tarsonis]

afaiC, the international ranking of democracies can kiss our ass. The United States is not a democracy, it's a Federalist Republic.

Part of me dies everytime I hear this argument.

You know darn heckin well that we're a Democratic Federal Republic barring the Presidency. Hardly a disqualifier.

Eh its even the presidency. The PV does not decide the president, the EC which is based on states.


Though, I looked up this so called study, and the big thing bringing us down really isn't the election process, but participation. So meh.

[Knask]

It's linguistically amusing to me that the sentence "Donald Trump can't even get Santorum to be his chief of staff" is factually correct in two different ways.

I literally thought you were making this up until a quick Google search confirmed that this is true...

Well, Trump did say at one point that maybe he doesn't need a Chief of Staff so, it looks like he may not get one.

Oh yeah, should have said you need safesearch on if you google "santorum".

Also headline: Trump's Plan To Fill Chief Of Staff Seat With Santorum Rejected

[Proctopeo]

If recent events are anything to go by, I presume that's Antifa's fault for rioting against democracy.

Or maybe PETA for liberating domesticated animals to heaven. Although the horse cooperated with Trump, and Trump is Hitler, and Hitler is in hell, so we know the horse must have gone there too.

>rioting against democracy

I shouldn't have to remind you that under a democratic system Clinton would've won given that she got the most actual votes.

Under a system that ran on direct democracy instead of the electoral college, it's likely neither would have won the nomination.
Also, still salty about her loss? Isn't she supposed to not be relevant any more?

[Maineiacs]

Democratic-ish. No real democracies are 100% democratic but America's Senate is chosen by states not people, EC is part states and part people and House elections are not exact reflections of the popular will so they're all pretty undemocratic for a country that prides itself on it's democracy.

Afaik, an international ranking of democracies ranks the US as a "flawed democracy".

afaiC, the international ranking of democracies can kiss our ass. The United States is not a democracy, it's a Federalist Republic.

I'm really getting tired of this meme the Right keeps rehashing that the fact that we're not a Direct Democracy means that we aren't any type of Democracy at all.

[Salandriagado]

Presidential harassment is a term coined either by Trump or his followers. In principle, it is mindless negativity towards the president in order to get under his skin, but in practice, it has been used to describe any criticism of president Trump. And, if you think that the Russia investigation is meant to criticise Trump, then it falls under wat they call 'presidential harassment'.

Trump has faced an unprecedented level of negativity though.

Sorry, did you miss literally the entirety of Obama's time in office?

[Telconi]

>rioting against democracy

I shouldn't have to remind you that under a democratic system Clinton would've won given that she got the most actual votes.

Under a system that ran on direct democracy instead of the electoral college, it's likely neither would have won the nomination.
Also, still salty about her loss? Isn't she supposed to not be relevant any more?

She's only relevant to Democrat talking points.