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Tarsonis wrote:

Zurkerx wrote:Two in three Republicans would rather see a shutdown than compromise on the border wall

I wonder if they realize that Republicans will be blamed more for this? Or, if you're Trump, maybe find a way to sneak money into the defense budget and have the military build the wall

Republicans are always blamed for it.

Under Obama, Republicans were blamed for refusing to capitulate to the Democratic Majority. Now they'll be blamed because they're not ceding to the minority. A shut down is always the Republicans fault. The beauty of press that's majority Democrat.

Mate. They were blamed for blatant obstructionism and general acts of dickery.

Tarsonis wrote:

Zurkerx wrote:Two in three Republicans would rather see a shutdown than compromise on the border wall

I wonder if they realize that Republicans will be blamed more for this? Or, if you're Trump, maybe find a way to sneak money into the defense budget and have the military build the wall

Republicans are always blamed for it.

Under Obama, Republicans were blamed for refusing to capitulate to the Democratic Majority. Now they'll be blamed because they're not ceding to the minority. A shut down is always the Republicans fault. The beauty of press that's majority Democrat.

Compromise is an essential part of a happy, functioning democracy. The fact that Republicans oft work for the hand of the minority make compromise doubly important where they're concerned, otherwise our happy little democratic Republic becomes no longer happy or democratic.

My only wish is that people showed this level of spine when talking about climate change or the working-class lot. You know, things that matter.

Kowani wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Republicans are always blamed for it.

Under Obama, Republicans were blamed for refusing to capitulate to the Democratic Majority. Now they'll be blamed because they're not ceding to the minority. A shut down is always the Republicans fault. The beauty of press that's majority Democrat.

Mate. They were blamed for blatant obstructionism and general acts of dickery.

But obstructing dickery isn't itself dickery...

Valrifell wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Republicans are always blamed for it.

Under Obama, Republicans were blamed for refusing to capitulate to the Democratic Majority. Now they'll be blamed because they're not ceding to the minority. A shut down is always the Republicans fault. The beauty of press that's majority Democrat.

Compromise is an essential part of a happy, functioning democracy. The fact that Republicans oft work for the hand of the minority make compromise doubly important where they're concerned, otherwise our happy little democratic Republic becomes no longer happy or democratic.

My only wish is that people showed this level of spine when talking about climate change or the working-class lot. You know, things that matter.

Funny how its only the Republicans that need to compromise *nods*

Fuck sake, do we have to do Obama again?

Kowani wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Republicans are always blamed for it.

Under Obama, Republicans were blamed for refusing to capitulate to the Democratic Majority. Now they'll be blamed because they're not ceding to the minority. A shut down is always the Republicans fault. The beauty of press that's majority Democrat.

Mate. They were blamed for blatant obstructionism and general acts of dickery.

Mhmm, when it's the Republicans it's Obstruction, when its the Democrats it's "resistance."

Tarsonis wrote:

Kowani wrote:Mate. They were blamed for blatant obstructionism and general acts of dickery.

Mhmm, when it's the Republicans it's Obstruction, when its the Democrats it's "resistance."

Don't know if you've noticed, but for the last two years it's been Republicans obstructing themselves.

Zurkerx wrote:Two in three Republicans would rather see a shutdown than compromise on the border wall

I wonder if they realize that Republicans will be blamed more for this? Or, if you're Trump, maybe find a way to sneak money into the defense budget and have the military build the wall

There is like a 20 point margin where people would rather not, though.

Corrian wrote:

Zurkerx wrote:Two in three Republicans would rather see a shutdown than compromise on the border wall

I wonder if they realize that Republicans will be blamed more for this? Or, if you're Trump, maybe find a way to sneak money into the defense budget and have the military build the wall

There is like a 20 point margin where people would rather not, though.

Build a wall, or force a government shutdown?

Telconi wrote:

Corrian wrote:There is like a 20 point margin where people would rather not, though.

Build a wall, or force a government shutdown?

Rather not force a shutdown over the wall I believe.

Corrian wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Build a wall, or force a government shutdown?

Rather not force a shutdown over the wall I believe.

Yeah, I don't think this wall is anywhere near as popular as Trump thinks it is...

Tarsonis wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
Compromise is an essential part of a happy, functioning democracy. The fact that Republicans oft work for the hand of the minority make compromise doubly important where they're concerned, otherwise our happy little democratic Republic becomes no longer happy or democratic.

My only wish is that people showed this level of spine when talking about climate change or the working-class lot. You know, things that matter.

Funny how its only the Republicans that need to compromise *nods*

Funny how I never mentioned that and this is forcing Dems to kowtow to Republicans instead of starting a meaningful conversation *nods*

Tarsonis wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
Compromise is an essential part of a happy, functioning democracy. The fact that Republicans oft work for the hand of the minority make compromise doubly important where they're concerned, otherwise our happy little democratic Republic becomes no longer happy or democratic.

My only wish is that people showed this level of spine when talking about climate change or the working-class lot. You know, things that matter.

Funny how its only the Republicans that need to compromise *nods*

This is why: when democrats ask to compromise, it is always something like “okay, we give up minimum wage and you accept some limited background checks for guns”, and Republican politicians will freak out over the notion. When Republican politicians ask for compromise, it’s usually like “So, we are going to block your bipartisan effort to appoint a supreme court judge, and you are going to allow us to ban abortion”. For Republican politicians, compromise just means total surrender of the Democratic positions.

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Funny how its only the Republicans that need to compromise *nods*

This is why: when democrats ask to compromise, it is always something like “okay, we give up minimum wage and you accept some limited background checks for guns”, and Republican politicians will freak out over the notion. When Republican politicians ask for compromise, it’s usually like “So, we are going to block your bipartisan effort to appoint a supreme court judge,

Didn’t happen

and you are going to allow us to ban abortion”. For Republican politicians, compromise just means total surrender of the Democratic positions.

Funny because right now the Democrats view of compromise is “end Trumps agenda. No wall, no matter what.” Lots of pot calling the kettle black there chief.

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Funny how its only the Republicans that need to compromise *nods*

This is why: when democrats ask to compromise, it is always something like “okay, we give up minimum wage and you accept some limited background checks for guns”, and Republican politicians will freak out over the notion. When Republican politicians ask for compromise, it’s usually like “So, we are going to block your bipartisan effort to appoint a supreme court judge, and you are going to allow us to ban abortion”. For Republican politicians, compromise just means total surrender of the Democratic positions.

Indeed, the noble Democrats who never ever make bad compromises...

Valrifell wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Funny how its only the Republicans that need to compromise *nods*

Funny how I never mentioned that and this is forcing Dems to kowtow to Republicans instead of starting a meaningful conversation *nods*

That is basically what you said. Republicans need to compromise, or else it’s their fault the government shuts down. But when the roles are reversed, the narrative is Republicans need to shut up and accept the Democrats Legislative agenda and approve what they say.

In every dialogue it’s always the other side that needs to compromise, never “our” side.

Tarsonis wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
Funny how I never mentioned that and this is forcing Dems to kowtow to Republicans instead of starting a meaningful conversation *nods*

That is basically what you said. Republicans need to compromise, or else it’s their fault the government shuts down. But when the roles are reversed, the narrative is Republicans need to shut up and accept the Democrats Legislative agenda and approve what they say.

In every dialogue it’s always the other side that needs to compromise, never “our” side.

I thought that we could all like the working man and not destroying the planet.

Silly me, I forgot those were partisan issues for some reason.

Valrifell wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
That is basically what you said. Republicans need to compromise, or else it’s their fault the government shuts down. But when the roles are reversed, the narrative is Republicans need to shut up and accept the Democrats Legislative agenda and approve what they say.

In every dialogue it’s always the other side that needs to compromise, never “our” side.

I thought that we could all like the working man and not destroying the planet.

Silly me, I forgot those were partisan issues for some reason.

"""Like the working man"""

Valrifell wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
That is basically what you said. Republicans need to compromise, or else it’s their fault the government shuts down. But when the roles are reversed, the narrative is Republicans need to shut up and accept the Democrats Legislative agenda and approve what they say.

In every dialogue it’s always the other side that needs to compromise, never “our” side.

I thought that we could all like the working man and not destroying the planet.

Silly me, I forgot those were partisan issues for some reason.

Ah I See, we should compromise cause your views are right, and the Democrats should not compromise cause our views our wrong.



Quelle surprise

Valrifell wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
That is basically what you said. Republicans need to compromise, or else it’s their fault the government shuts down. But when the roles are reversed, the narrative is Republicans need to shut up and accept the Democrats Legislative agenda and approve what they say.

In every dialogue it’s always the other side that needs to compromise, never “our” side.

I thought that we could all like the working man and not destroying the planet.

Silly me, I forgot those were partisan issues for some reason.

Also, you're still putting words in my mouth. I just want a functioning government (and a healthy planet, but you can't win 'em all) at this point. Currently, Dems have offered compromise at every turn, even when Republicans were in a similar position.

This level of noncooperation is so extreme and radical that it's honestly amazing you're here trying to make the case that it's not or it's both sides, when most metrics point to that not being the case. All while putting words in my mouth

Anything to morally justify why you're okay with the shutdown for the wall, I guess.

Tarsonis wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
I thought that we could all like the working man and not destroying the planet.

Silly me, I forgot those were partisan issues for some reason.

Ah I See, we should compromise cause your views are right, and the Democrats should not compromise cause our views our wrong.



Quelle surprise

Alexa, what is a scientific consensus?

Valrifell wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
I thought that we could all like the working man and not destroying the planet.

Silly me, I forgot those were partisan issues for some reason.

Also, you're still putting words in my mouth. I just want a functioning government (and a healthy planet, but you can't win 'em all) at this point. Currently, Dems have offered compromise at every turn, even when Republicans were in a similar position.

This level of noncooperation is so extreme and radical that it's honestly amazing you're here trying to make the case that it's not or it's both sides, when most metrics point to that not being the case. All while putting words in my mouth

Anything to morally justify why you're okay with the shutdown for the wall, I guess.

No you’re telling me things we should compromise over. Funny how they’re all things you want.

Valrifell wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Ah I See, we should compromise cause your views are right, and the Democrats should not compromise cause our views our wrong.



Quelle surprise

Alexa, what is a scientific consensus?

TDIL science is done by consensus.

Valrifell wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Ah I See, we should compromise cause your views are right, and the Democrats should not compromise cause our views our wrong.



Quelle surprise

Alexa, what is a scientific consensus?

It isn't a political policy...

Tarsonis wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
Also, you're still putting words in my mouth. I just want a functioning government (and a healthy planet, but you can't win 'em all) at this point. Currently, Dems have offered compromise at every turn, even when Republicans were in a similar position.

This level of noncooperation is so extreme and radical that it's honestly amazing you're here trying to make the case that it's not or it's both sides, when most metrics point to that not being the case. All while putting words in my mouth

Anything to morally justify why you're okay with the shutdown for the wall, I guess.

No you’re telling me things we should compromise over. Funny how they’re all things you want.

The only two suggesions I've made was not letting Miami drown and a vague notion of not fucking over the working class.

Again, you're imagining my views to cast me as the villainous hypocrite to morally justify why you're okay with Reps not compromising on the wall.