Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:55 am"Why did China get nuked?" "Xi made a joke about Donnie and everybody laughed."
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:55 amPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:56 amPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:10 pmJust as I was starting to lose focus/interest in the probe, it appears we've seen some bombshells this past week or two. I'm quite intrigued to see how this will end.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:15 pmMajor-Tom wrote:
Just as I was starting to lose focus/interest in the probe, it appears we've seen some bombshells this past week or two. I'm quite intrigued to see how this will end.
Mueller is professional. Not trying to get attention with the probe.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:18 pmIts' still been a highly political, highly polarizing probe. There's always going to be attention directed towards it, both from supporters and adamant opponents. I myself lost focus with it because it seemed to be moving at a snail's pace. I recognize that the probe was never meant to be particularly swift and fast-moving, but whenever substantive information comes from Mueller's probe, it's always something of a pleasant surprise for me.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:21 pmMajor-Tom wrote:Petrasylvania wrote:Mueller is professional. Not trying to get attention with the probe.
Its' still been a highly political, highly polarizing probe. There's always going to be attention directed towards it, both from supporters and adamant opponents. I myself lost focus with it because it seemed to be moving at a snail's pace. I recognize that the probe was never meant to be particularly swift and fast-moving, but whenever substantive information comes from Mueller's probe, it's always something of a pleasant surprise for me.
It's actually going pretty quickly in overall terms. Hasn't even been 2 years.
Major-Tom wrote:
Just as I was starting to lose focus/interest in the probe, it appears we've seen some bombshells this past week or two. I'm quite intrigued to see how this will end.
Yeah, there have been some major trial things this week.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:01 pmMattis is still there
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:03 pmGreat Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Yeah, Austria-Hungary and Germany were just trying to create a European army. That’s the sole reason for both wars. And it didn’t work out, so that’s game over I guess.
Shall we tell him how nationalism worked out for Europe?
Depends. Nationalism is how several nations came about like Italy and Poland
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:17 pmThermodolia wrote:Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Yeah, Austria-Hungary and Germany were just trying to create a European army. That’s the sole reason for both wars. And it didn’t work out, so that’s game over I guess.
Shall we tell him how nationalism worked out for Europe?
Depends. Nationalism is how several nations came about like Italy and Poland
Of course. But 19th century nationalism is a profoundly different ideology from 20th century nationalism. 19th century nationalism was about a shared culture, language and history, and creating a nation around that. Literally nation-building, nationalism as opposed to imperialism and anarchism. 19th century nationalism was profoundly liberal, in the sense that nationalists sought to codify national laws and create a constitution, empowering parliaments to speak on behalf of the nation as opposed to foreign dynasts.
20th century nationalism is an extension of 19th century nationalism. It's about a mythical past that unites the nation, but is also marred by views of exceptionalism. The idea that the own nation is the best nation, and that outsiders should be barred. A national union based on the exclusion of others, and a national will not communicated through a parliament and codification of rules, but translated and heralded by a single leader speaking on behalf of the people, with disdain for a constitution and national parliaments. I have much respect for the nationalist movements of the 19th century, but I feel that the term has been marred by the 20th century movements.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:16 pmMajor-Tom wrote:Petrasylvania wrote:Mueller is professional. Not trying to get attention with the probe.
Its' still been a highly political, highly polarizing probe. There's always going to be attention directed towards it, both from supporters and adamant opponents. I myself lost focus with it because it seemed to be moving at a snail's pace. I recognize that the probe was never meant to be particularly swift and fast-moving, but whenever substantive information comes from Mueller's probe, it's always something of a pleasant surprise for me.
The only way this investigation is moving slowly is if you put it in the context of a super volatile political landscape or a culture with an attentionspan of microseconds.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:28 pm...what did I miss?)
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:29 pmVassenor wrote:...what did I miss?)
Mueller's reccomendation with sentencing for Manafort and Cohen (I think).
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:25 pmVassenor wrote:...what did I miss?)
Headfirst into a political abyss!
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:44 pmGreat Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Depends. Nationalism is how several nations came about like Italy and Poland
Of course. But 19th century nationalism is a profoundly different ideology from 20th century nationalism. 19th century nationalism was about a shared culture, language and history, and creating a nation around that. Literally nation-building, nationalism as opposed to imperialism and anarchism. 19th century nationalism was profoundly liberal, in the sense that nationalists sought to codify national laws and create a constitution, empowering parliaments to speak on behalf of the nation as opposed to foreign dynasts.
20th century nationalism is an extension of 19th century nationalism. It's about a mythical past that unites the nation, but is also marred by views of exceptionalism. The idea that the own nation is the best nation, and that outsiders should be barred. A national union based on the exclusion of others, and a national will not communicated through a parliament and codification of rules, but translated and heralded by a single leader speaking on behalf of the people, with disdain for a constitution and national parliaments. I have much respect for the nationalist movements of the 19th century, but I feel that the term has been marred by the 20th century movements.
On behalf of the one nation, to the exclusion of minorities within that nation not only from the political sphere but from all avenues of public life altogether.
Without recognizing the dignity of persons perceived as differing from the national polity, or indeed making life hard for them at every turn, the nationalisms of the nineteenth century were doomed to extend themselves towards eliminationist impulses.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:03 pmPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:46 amTrump fails to hire the best people again.
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:02 amPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:15 amApparently Trump is having issues finding a new Chief of Staff.
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:55 pmCorrian wrote:Apparently Trump is having issues finding a new Chief of Staff.
No one wants to be hired by him. They know he is just going to fire them 3-6 months later.
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:58 pmLoyal men in your political ranks is a good thing (although my pragmatic side would hire literal Nazis if it advanced my political goals and destroyed his credibility).
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:51 pmWestern Vale Confederacy wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
No one wants to be hired by him. They know he is just going to fire them 3-6 months later.
Loyal men in your political ranks is a good thing (although my pragmatic side would hire literal Nazis if it advanced my political goals and destroyed his credibility).
Hindenburg thought the same thing.
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:16 pmPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:54 pmPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:04 pmCorrian wrote:Apparently Trump is having issues finding a new Chief of Staff.
This will all be resolved if he nominates his horse to be -- owait -- he doesn't have a horse, does he?
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:15 pmThe Co-operation train keeps getting fuller.
Get it? Nuzzle up to the NRA? Eh? Nuzzled?
Alright...
Other sources.
And another.
Maria Butina, an accused Russian spy who nuzzled up to the National Rifle Association before the 2016 election, has begun cooperating with federal prosecutors after agreeing to a plea deal in recent days, according to a source familiar with the matter.
News that Butina had seemed to reach a deal with federal prosecutors first broke earlier Monday when her attorneys and prosecutors filed a two-page request on Monday for a "change of plea" hearing before a federal judge. "The parties have resolved this matter," the filing in DC federal court said Monday morning. Butina's case was brought by federal prosecutors in DC and not by Robert Mueller's team in the special counsel's office.
Her cooperation will mainly focus on telling investigators about the role of her boyfriend Paul Erickson and her interactions with her Russian handlers. A spokesman for the US Attorney's office in DC declined to comment. Butina's lawyer declined to comment for the story. A lawyer for Erickson also did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
According to the agreement, part of which was revealed to CNN, Butina "agreed and conspired, with a Russian government official ('Russian Official') and at least one other person, for Butina to act in the United States under the direction of Russian Official without prior notification to the Attorney General."
Get it? Nuzzle up to the NRA? Eh? Nuzzled?
Alright...
Other sources.
Maria Butina, a 30-year-old Russian gun rights activist who stands accused developing a covert influence operation in the United States, has agreed to plead guilty to conspiracy and cooperate with federal, state and local authorities in any ongoing investigations.
She admits, as part of the deal, according to a copy obtained by ABC News that is expected to be filed to the court, that she and an unnamed “U.S. Person 1,” which sources have identified as longtime Republican operative Paul Erickson, with whom she had a multiyear romantic relationship, “agreed and conspired, with a Russian government official (“Russian Official”) and at least one other person, for Butina to act in the United States under the direction of Russian Official without prior notification to the Attorney General.”
Based on the description, the “Russian Official” appears to be Alexander Torshin, deputy governor of the Russian Central Bank and a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Under his direction, the agreement said, she “sought to establish unofficial lines of communication with Americans having power and influence over U.S. politics.”
And another.
Maria Butina, the Russian woman accused of running a secret campaign to influence powerful American conservatives, has agreed to plead guilty to conspiring to act as a foreign agent, bringing to a close a case that had drawn headlines with prosecutors talking of a sly seductress who traded sex to further the aims of her spymasters in Moscow.
But in court papers laying out the plea deal, the portrayal of Ms. Butina is far tamer than the narrative the government put forward after her arrest in July. The latest filings make no mention of the most salacious accusations against Ms. Butina — that she used sex as spycraft — and she instead comes across as the tool of powerful men who helped her to infiltrate the National Rifle Association and the Republican Party.
Prosecutors even appear to have backed off the accusation that Ms. Butina used a graduate program at American University in Washington merely as a cover to enter the United States. “All available evidence indicates that Butina had interest in a graduate school education,” prosecutors say in a footnote.
The deal, which now must be approved by a judge, stipulates that Ms. Butina must cooperate with federal, state and local authorities in exchange for what could be a short prison term, or possibly a release after having already spent five months in jail. As a felon, she will most likely be deported after her release, as was made clear in court filings laying out the deal that were obtained by The New York Times.