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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:09 pm
by Valgora
Telconi wrote:
Senkaku wrote:...cool, I guess? Is there a point here that's relevant to me, or is this just trying to snipe at Vass? :p


The point is, if we don't wanna end up like Europe, we should do something different from what they do right?

But that doesn't mean we should turn America into a military dictatorship like Loben wants.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:09 pm
by Bombadil
Just on the difference between China, Europe and the US.. it was neatly caught in an article on attitudes to data. In China it is assumed that data is owned by the state first and foremost. In the US it is assumed data is held by the corporations who extract it. In Europe it's assumed data is owned by the individual. Hence Europe has GDPR whereas the other two don't.

Frankly Europe has the very best ideals when it comes to the welfare and benefit of the individual. China places the state first and the US is caught in believing the marketing of corporations that to buy their products is freedom, a tactic refined by the tobacco industry.

And that very much explains how Trump can sell his bullshit under the name of freedom.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:44 pm
by Telconi
Senkaku wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The point is, if we don't wanna end up like Europe, we should do something different from what they do right?

Ohh this is part of your whole authoritarian schtick okay

Well, I guess it all depends on your fuckin interpretation, Tel, so draw the conclusions you wanna draw or whatever lol


Oh boy, I'm sure glad Senkaku has given me permission to have free will... :roll:

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:19 pm
by Northern Davincia
Hurricania Imperium wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Friendly reminder that Prussia no longer exists at all, so.

Actually...
https://micronations.wiki/wiki/Free_Sta ... ew_Prussia

Oh, and...
http://prussiankingdom.com/

I love micronations so much.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:54 pm
by Cannot think of a name
Man, if only there were some sort of website or forum type thing where people could just make their own nations and then fantasy roleplay whatever their weird theoretical governance they wanted and piss on each other about the merits and problems with their pet political fantasy and then, in a little corner marked "General" maybe, discussions of real world events and politics could take place.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:56 pm
by Duhon
Cannot think of a name wrote:Man, if only there were some sort of website or forum type thing where people could just make their own nations and then fantasy roleplay whatever their weird theoretical governance they wanted and piss on each other about the merits and problems with their pet political fantasy and then, in a little corner marked "General" maybe, discussions of real world events and politics could take place.


Why LARP in your basement when you can LARP in public?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:58 pm
by Duhon
Valgora wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The point is, if we don't wanna end up like Europe, we should do something different from what they do right?

But that doesn't mean we should turn America into a military dictatorship like Loben wants.


Unless Loben really wants that Europe to come right along and is using the junta to hasten the process.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:59 pm
by Duhon
Loben wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I mean, like, I wouldn't agree with just advocating for a junta for it's own sake either- but saying that we need to do it to avoid being "soft" or whatever like the Europeans, while simultaneously acknowledging that that perceived softness is a direct result of Europe's experiences with militarism and authoritarianism seems... counterintuitive.

Unless the idea is that THIS dictatorship really will finally be the one that successfully lasts for 10,000 years or whatever lol which is even dumber


at least i dont want to target minorities.


No, you'll just be a dick to everyone but you. Equal opportunity!

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:29 pm
by Jerzyland
Cannot think of a name wrote:Man, if only there were some sort of website or forum type thing where people could just make their own nations and then fantasy roleplay whatever their weird theoretical governance they wanted and piss on each other about the merits and problems with their pet political fantasy and then, in a little corner marked "General" maybe, discussions of real world events and politics could take place.


*nods*

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:40 pm
by Telconi
Duhon wrote:
Loben wrote:
at least i dont want to target minorities.


No, you'll just be a dick to everyone but you. Equal opportunity!


That seems pretty run-of-the-mill these days.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:51 pm
by Valrifell
Cannot think of a name wrote:Man, if only there were some sort of website or forum type thing where people could just make their own nations and then fantasy roleplay whatever their weird theoretical governance they wanted and piss on each other about the merits and problems with their pet political fantasy and then, in a little corner marked "General" maybe, discussions of real world events and politics could take place.


I've never felt more attacked, tbh.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:31 pm
by Tarsonis
Loben wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:https://americanmilitarynews.com/2018/12/joe-biden-says-hes-the-most-qualified-person-in-the-country-to-be-president/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=dvf

GG Republicans


i can think of like.....a dozen more qualified people.


Not the point. If he’s throwing out statements like that, it means he’s planning on running. You don’t say that and not run.

Biden runs, dems win.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:33 pm
by Telconi
Tarsonis wrote:
Loben wrote:
i can think of like.....a dozen more qualified people.


Not the point. If he’s throwing out statements like that, it means he’s planning on running. You don’t say that and not run.

Biden runs, dems win.


Largely depends on how Biden-y Biden is by the end.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:50 pm
by Corrian

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:52 pm
by Cannot think of a name

How the fuck does this dude still find people who will work for him?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:05 pm
by Ifreann
Cannot think of a name wrote:

How the fuck does this dude still find people who will work for him?

Image

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:10 pm
by Jerzylvania
Cannot think of a name wrote:

How the fuck does this dude still find people who will work for him?


Sadly, there are plenty of lickspittles in Donnie's galaxy. I think of them as asteroids, dumb as a rock, also lazy with little gravitas.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:17 pm
by Petrasylvania
Ifreann wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:How the fuck does this dude still find people who will work for him?

Image

Truly a punchable face.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:17 pm
by Telconi
Cannot think of a name wrote:

How the fuck does this dude still find people who will work for him?


Bulwark against Clintonism.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:18 pm
by Petrasylvania
Telconi wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:How the fuck does this dude still find people who will work for him?


Bulwark against Clintonism.

Waking in the middle of the night paralyzed with Hillary stooping on your chest?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:27 pm
by Myrensis


The red hat capacity for cognitive dissonance is remarkable.

Trump hires the best people because he's a great businessman, not a politician, so he recognizes talent!

Also, the record breaking turnover in his Administration is because all those people he hired were stupid, lazy and incompetent!

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:32 pm
by Jerzylvania
Petrasylvania wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Bulwark against Clintonism.

Waking in the middle of the night paralyzed with Hillary stooping on your chest?

*while contemplating Monica's charms*

:eek:

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:36 pm
by Cannot think of a name
Ah, context...
The biting words came after Tillerson, in an appearance at a charity event in Houston, said their relationship soured over Trump’s repeated demands that Tillerson do things that were illegal.

“So often, the president would say, ‘Here’s what I want you to do, and here’s how I want you to do it,’ ” Tillerson said at a fundraiser for the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, in his first public remarks about his truncated tenure since he was let go in March.

“And I would have to say to him, ‘Mr. President, I understand what you want to do. But you can’t do it that way. It violates the law,’ ” he said.
...
In his remarks, Tillerson did not offer any specific examples of which requests he deemed illegal. He said he offered to work to change the law, but that apparently did not curb Trump’s frustration.

“I’d say, ‘Here’s what we can do,’ ” Tillerson said. “ ‘We can go back to Congress and get this law changed. And if that’s what you want to do, there’s nothing wrong with that.’ I told him, ‘I’m ready to go up there and fight the fight, if that’s what you want to do.’ ”

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:40 pm
by Neutraligon
Cannot think of a name wrote:Ah, context...
The biting words came after Tillerson, in an appearance at a charity event in Houston, said their relationship soured over Trump’s repeated demands that Tillerson do things that were illegal.

“So often, the president would say, ‘Here’s what I want you to do, and here’s how I want you to do it,’ ” Tillerson said at a fundraiser for the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, in his first public remarks about his truncated tenure since he was let go in March.

“And I would have to say to him, ‘Mr. President, I understand what you want to do. But you can’t do it that way. It violates the law,’ ” he said.
...
In his remarks, Tillerson did not offer any specific examples of which requests he deemed illegal. He said he offered to work to change the law, but that apparently did not curb Trump’s frustration.

“I’d say, ‘Here’s what we can do,’ ” Tillerson said. “ ‘We can go back to Congress and get this law changed. And if that’s what you want to do, there’s nothing wrong with that.’ I told him, ‘I’m ready to go up there and fight the fight, if that’s what you want to do.’ ”

So basically Trump says another stupid thing on twitter. I wonder what news he is trying to overshadow this time? Maybe the stuff about it looks like we might be heading for another recession?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:48 pm
by Ifreann
Cannot think of a name wrote:Ah, context...
The biting words came after Tillerson, in an appearance at a charity event in Houston, said their relationship soured over Trump’s repeated demands that Tillerson do things that were illegal.

“So often, the president would say, ‘Here’s what I want you to do, and here’s how I want you to do it,’ ” Tillerson said at a fundraiser for the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, in his first public remarks about his truncated tenure since he was let go in March.

“And I would have to say to him, ‘Mr. President, I understand what you want to do. But you can’t do it that way. It violates the law,’ ” he said.
...
In his remarks, Tillerson did not offer any specific examples of which requests he deemed illegal. He said he offered to work to change the law, but that apparently did not curb Trump’s frustration.

“I’d say, ‘Here’s what we can do,’ ” Tillerson said. “ ‘We can go back to Congress and get this law changed. And if that’s what you want to do, there’s nothing wrong with that.’ I told him, ‘I’m ready to go up there and fight the fight, if that’s what you want to do.’ ”

This is a very satisfying and plausible explanation.