NationStates

Senkaku wrote:

Loben wrote:
its more of a reaction after them

Aversion to military service, outright disdain for the personnel and purposeful incompetence in procurement.

Yes, I know- what exactly do you think would happen here after our hypothetical one ends?

something far more reliable stability wise and something that will, god willing, terrify our enemies into utter submission.

Vassenor wrote:

Loben wrote:
its more of a reaction after them

Aversion to military service, outright disdain for the personnel and purposeful incompetence in procurement.

I thought we were talking about Europe, not Trump.

Hoo hoo hoo i fucking laughed.

Loben wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
I thought we were talking about Europe, not Trump.

Hoo hoo hoo i fucking laughed.

Literal draft dodger who has overseen massive cuts to the VA and other support services and who ordered the new fleet of aircraft carriers be refitted at great cost to the taxpayer because he thought the new catapult system didn't look as cool as the old one.

Vassenor wrote:

Loben wrote:
Hoo hoo hoo i fucking laughed.

Literal draft dodger who has overseen massive cuts to the VA and other support services and who ordered the new fleet of aircraft carriers be refitted at great cost to the taxpayer because he thought the new catapult system didn't look as cool as the old one.

worth.

every.

fucking.

dollar.

Loben wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Literal draft dodger who has overseen massive cuts to the VA and other support services and who ordered the new fleet of aircraft carriers be refitted at great cost to the taxpayer because he thought the new catapult system didn't look as cool as the old one.

worth.

every.

fucking.

dollar.

Going back to an outdated and less efficient system purely because it looks cooler?

Loben wrote:

Senkaku wrote:Yes, I know- what exactly do you think would happen here after our hypothetical one ends?

something far more reliable stability wise and something that will, god willing, terrify our enemies into utter submission.

So the American reaction to militarism after the fall of our own military dictatorship will be not to skew towards pacifism, but to double down on it, in contrast to pretty much every other country that's had similar experiences and in defiance of what one might expect looking at the data in those countries?

Seems like wishful thinking to me.

Senkaku wrote:

Loben wrote:
something far more reliable stability wise and something that will, god willing, terrify our enemies into utter submission.

So the American reaction to militarism after the fall of our own military dictatorship will be not to skew towards pacifism, but to double down on it, in contrast to pretty much every other country that's had similar experiences and in defiance of what one might expect looking at the data in those countries?

Seems like wishful thinking to me.

Some people just assume they'll be part of the right team.

Vassenor wrote:

Loben wrote:
worth.

every.

fucking.

dollar.

Going back to an outdated and less efficient system purely because it looks cooler?

irc we're also switching back to pinks and greens because deadass they look cooler.

Loben wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Going back to an outdated and less efficient system purely because it looks cooler?

irc we're also switching back to pinks and greens because deadass they look cooler.

Switching to an older formal military dress is fine.
Switching to an outdated and less efficient system to launch aircraft from aircraft carriers simply because it looks cooler ain't fine.
Also, you trying to justify it with "we're also switching back to pinks and greens because they look cooler" is stupid.

Valgora wrote:

Loben wrote:
irc we're also switching back to pinks and greens because deadass they look cooler.

Switching to an older formal military dress is fine.
Switching to an outdated and less efficient system to launch aircraft from aircraft carriers simply because it looks cooler ain't fine.
Also, you trying to justify it with "we're also switching back to pinks and greens because they look cooler" is stupid.

meh, if we have the luxury money to spend on a outdated way of launching aircraft with no fuss then i really dont worry.

Bombadil wrote:

Senkaku wrote:So the American reaction to militarism after the fall of our own military dictatorship will be not to skew towards pacifism, but to double down on it, in contrast to pretty much every other country that's had similar experiences and in defiance of what one might expect looking at the data in those countries?

Seems like wishful thinking to me.

Some people just assume they'll be part of the right team.

I mean, like, I wouldn't agree with just advocating for a junta for it's own sake either- but saying that we need to do it to avoid being "soft" or whatever like the Europeans, while simultaneously acknowledging that that perceived softness is a direct result of Europe's experiences with militarism and authoritarianism seems... counterintuitive.

Unless the idea is that THIS dictatorship really will finally be the one that successfully lasts for 10,000 years or whatever lol which is even dumber

Loben wrote:

Valgora wrote:Switching to an older formal military dress is fine.
Switching to an outdated and less efficient system to launch aircraft from aircraft carriers simply because it looks cooler ain't fine.
Also, you trying to justify it with "we're also switching back to pinks and greens because they look cooler" is stupid.

meh, if we have the luxury money to spend on a outdated way of launching aircraft with no fuss then i really dont worry.

We don't have the luxury money to do that.
And still going back to an outdated and less efficient system of launching aircraft because it looks cool is stupid even if you have the money.
But we don't actually have the money, which makes doing that even stupider.

Senkaku wrote:

Bombadil wrote:
Some people just assume they'll be part of the right team.

I mean, like, I wouldn't agree with just advocating for a junta for it's own sake either- but saying that we need to do it to avoid being "soft" or whatever like the Europeans, while simultaneously acknowledging that that perceived softness is a direct result of Europe's experiences with militarism and authoritarianism seems... counterintuitive.

Unless the idea is that THIS dictatorship really will finally be the one that successfully lasts for 10,000 years or whatever lol which is even dumber

at least i dont want to target minorities.

Basically FOX is a part of this administration.. I imagine Hannity will be the next AG..

Donald Trump has decided to name the state department spokeswoman Heather Nauert as the ambassador to the United Nations, a source familiar with his decision told Reuters.

Trump will send a tweet on Friday morning about choosing Nauert to replace the outgoing UN ambassador, Nikki Haley, who announced her resignation in October, Fox News reported, citing multiple sources.

Nauert, whose nomination would require Senate confirmation, is a former Fox News Channel correspondent and anchor. She does not have prior political or policy-making experience.

Loben wrote:

Senkaku wrote:I mean, like, I wouldn't agree with just advocating for a junta for it's own sake either- but saying that we need to do it to avoid being "soft" or whatever like the Europeans, while simultaneously acknowledging that that perceived softness is a direct result of Europe's experiences with militarism and authoritarianism seems... counterintuitive.

Unless the idea is that THIS dictatorship really will finally be the one that successfully lasts for 10,000 years or whatever lol which is even dumber

at least i dont want to target minorities.

I'm not saying you're a literal Nazi lol, I'm saying that if your idea is "let's not end up like Europe", then following the exact same steps that the Europeans followed to get to where they are seems pretty fucking stupid lol

Valgora wrote:

Loben wrote:
irc we're also switching back to pinks and greens because deadass they look cooler.

Switching to an older formal military dress is fine.
Switching to an outdated and less efficient system to launch aircraft from aircraft carriers simply because it looks cooler ain't fine.
Also, you trying to justify it with "we're also switching back to pinks and greens because they look cooler" is stupid.

You say that, but “Do everything because it looks and sounds cool” worked for Gurren Lagann. >.>

Vassenor wrote:

Loben wrote:
its more of a reaction after them

Aversion to military service, outright disdain for the personnel and purposeful incompetence in procurement.

I thought we were talking about Europe, not Trump.

I hate to say this, but...those three things didn’t just happen under Trump.

Luminesa wrote:

Valgora wrote:Switching to an older formal military dress is fine.
Switching to an outdated and less efficient system to launch aircraft from aircraft carriers simply because it looks cooler ain't fine.
Also, you trying to justify it with "we're also switching back to pinks and greens because they look cooler" is stupid.

You say that, but “Do everything because it looks and sounds cool” worked for Gurren Lagann. >.>

The only anime I've ever seen was "Kill la Kill" and I think up to season 5 of "Fairy Tail".

Luminesa wrote:

Valgora wrote:Switching to an older formal military dress is fine.
Switching to an outdated and less efficient system to launch aircraft from aircraft carriers simply because it looks cooler ain't fine.
Also, you trying to justify it with "we're also switching back to pinks and greens because they look cooler" is stupid.

You say that, but “Do everything because it looks and sounds cool” worked for Gurren Lagann. >.>

What a day, when the military should be run like a weeb club.

Petrasylvania wrote:

Luminesa wrote:You say that, but “Do everything because it looks and sounds cool” worked for Gurren Lagann. >.>

What a day, when the military should be run like a weeb club.

ROW ROW FIGHT DAH POWAH!!!

Valrifell wrote:

Loben wrote:
more like an army with a state.

Friendly reminder that Prussia no longer exists at all, so.

Actually...
https://micronations.wiki/wiki/Free_Sta ... ew_Prussia

Oh, and...
http://prussiankingdom.com/

Senkaku wrote:

Loben wrote:
at least i dont want to target minorities.

I'm not saying you're a literal Nazi lol, I'm saying that if your idea is "let's not end up like Europe", then following the exact same steps that the Europeans followed to get to where they are seems pretty fucking stupid lol

According to Vassenor Europe is the way it is because of representative democracy.

Telconi wrote:

Senkaku wrote:I'm not saying you're a literal Nazi lol, I'm saying that if your idea is "let's not end up like Europe", then following the exact same steps that the Europeans followed to get to where they are seems pretty fucking stupid lol

According to Vassenor Europe is the way it is because of representative democracy.

...cool, I guess? Is there a point here that's relevant to me, or is this just trying to snipe at Vass?

Senkaku wrote:

Telconi wrote:
According to Vassenor Europe is the way it is because of representative democracy.

...cool, I guess? Is there a point here that's relevant to me, or is this just trying to snipe at Vass?

The point is, if we don't wanna end up like Europe, we should do something different from what they do right?

Telconi wrote:

Senkaku wrote:...cool, I guess? Is there a point here that's relevant to me, or is this just trying to snipe at Vass?

The point is, if we don't wanna end up like Europe, we should do something different from what they do right?

Ohh this is part of your whole authoritarian schtick okay

Well, I guess it all depends on your fuckin interpretation, Tel, so draw the conclusions you wanna draw or whatever lol