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Postby Telconi » Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:41 pm

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Yeah, hopefully you made a better decision at the end of your contract.


I did. It was a short contract as part of an offer. It was awhile ago. Don't think they do it anymore. What's weird is they keep coming around offering deals to return.


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Postby Bombadil » Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:56 pm

A day before a runoff US Senate election and as Donald Trump prepared to visit the state to stage two rallies, nooses and six signs were found on the grounds of the Mississippi capitol.

Chuck McIntosh, a spokesman for the state department of finance and administration, which oversees the capitol, said the nooses and signs were found on Monday shortly before 8am, on the south side of the grounds.


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Postby Tobleste » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:09 pm

Bombadil wrote:A day before a runoff US Senate election and as Donald Trump prepared to visit the state to stage two rallies, nooses and six signs were found on the grounds of the Mississippi capitol.

Chuck McIntosh, a spokesman for the state department of finance and administration, which oversees the capitol, said the nooses and signs were found on Monday shortly before 8am, on the south side of the grounds.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... SApp_Other

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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:26 pm

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They used to, I believe. However, their equivalent, Sky News, might fit the bill.


Comparing Sky news to Fox News would be a fascinating exercise. I think Sky shows you can be a news network without becoming a propaganda outlet.


Well, when they used to air Fox, then I think the comparison is understandable. But I guess Sky didn't get the memo, clearly they haven't read 1984 :p
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Postby Liriena » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:28 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Bombadil wrote:A day before a runoff US Senate election and as Donald Trump prepared to visit the state to stage two rallies, nooses and six signs were found on the grounds of the Mississippi capitol.

Chuck McIntosh, a spokesman for the state department of finance and administration, which oversees the capitol, said the nooses and signs were found on Monday shortly before 8am, on the south side of the grounds.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... SApp_Other

Stay classy Mississippi..


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Sooooo muuuuuch economic anxiety...
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Postby Telconi » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:56 pm

Liriena wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
...economic anxiety...

Sooooo muuuuuch economic anxiety...


I'm sure you have none of that...
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:59 pm

Telconi wrote:
Liriena wrote:Sooooo muuuuuch economic anxiety...


I'm sure you have none of that...

Heh.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:08 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
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I'm sure you have none of that...

Heh.


"Well, I don't have a point so I'm gonna attack this poster's home country for some reason"

I thought you were better than that.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:11 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
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I'm sure you have none of that...

Heh.


I always figured Liri was the "Never spent a dollar they didn't ask daddy for" type.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:12 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Heh.


"Well, I don't have a point so I'm gonna attack this poster's home country for some reason"

I thought you were better than that.

Normally I am. However, economic anxiety is a very real thing. Denying that it exists gives further ammunition to the MAGA crowd.
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Postby Duhon » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:30 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
"Well, I don't have a point so I'm gonna attack this poster's home country for some reason"

I thought you were better than that.

Normally I am. However, economic anxiety is a very real thing. Denying that it exists gives further ammunition to the MAGA crowd.


If denying economic anxiety as a motivational factor is wrong, so is denying that other factors exist and even override said anxiety, as with those nooses.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:31 pm

Duhon wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Normally I am. However, economic anxiety is a very real thing. Denying that it exists gives further ammunition to the MAGA crowd.


If denying economic anxiety as a motivational factor is wrong, so is denying that other factors exist and even override said anxiety, as with those nooses.

What makes those nooses override the anxiety? Did the majority there have nooses?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:33 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
"Well, I don't have a point so I'm gonna attack this poster's home country for some reason"

I thought you were better than that.

Normally I am. However, economic anxiety is a very real thing. Denying that it exists gives further ammunition to the MAGA crowd.


Hasn't it been pointed out that the people facing actual economic anxiety were more likely to vote Clinton than Trump?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Normally I am. However, economic anxiety is a very real thing. Denying that it exists gives further ammunition to the MAGA crowd.


Hasn't it been pointed out that the people facing actual economic anxiety were more likely to vote Clinton than Trump?

This doesn't really change my point. The MAGA crowd owns the rhetoric on the issue, and it still exists among them, however marginalized it might be.
Also, how are you able to determine what actual economic anxiety is?
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:26 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Normally I am. However, economic anxiety is a very real thing. Denying that it exists gives further ammunition to the MAGA crowd.


Hasn't it been pointed out that the people facing actual economic anxiety were more likely to vote Clinton than Trump?


translate:

trump voters aren't black enough to know what economic anxiety is

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Postby Telconi » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:38 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:

This doesn't really change my point. The MAGA crowd owns the rhetoric on the issue, and it still exists among them, however marginalized it might be.
Also, how are you able to determine what actual economic anxiety is?


"Actual Economic Anxiety"

Economic anxiety felt by people Vassenor doesn't hate.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:40 pm

Paul Manafort repeatedly lied to investigators even after agreeing to cooperate with the investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, the special counsel Robert Mueller said late on Monday.

Manafort, Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman, breached a plea agreement he signed in September by “lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the special counsel’s office on a variety of subject matters”, Mueller said in a court filing.

Mueller did not specify what Manafort lied about, but said the lies amounted to new crimes. Investigators are no longer bound by their side of the deal, which included a reduced sentence for crimes Manafort previously admitted, Mueller said.

Manafort denied Mueller’s new allegations. “He believes he has provided truthful information and does not agree with the government’s characterization or that he has breached the agreement,” Monday’s court filing said.

Both sides agreed that in light of the cooperation agreement’s collapse, judge Amy Berman Jackson of the federal court in Washington DC should proceed with sentencing Manafort, who could now face more than a decade in prison.

Mueller said his team would file a comprehensive account of Manafort’s “crimes and lies” to the court for consideration in the sentencing.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:42 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:


translate:

trump voters aren't black enough to know what economic anxiety is

/link

Quote relevant passages that led you to this wild conclusion.
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Postby Tobleste » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:47 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
"Well, I don't have a point so I'm gonna attack this poster's home country for some reason"

I thought you were better than that.

Normally I am. However, economic anxiety is a very real thing. Denying that it exists gives further ammunition to the MAGA crowd.


I wasn't denying it exists and (while I'm not Valrifell) I don't think anyone else was. My point is that "economic anxiety" has been used to dismiss clear cases of racism. Both exist but just as some are wrong to pretend economic anxiety is fake and racism is entirely behind Trump's win, so too are those who use economic anxiety to ignore talking about the factor of racism.

There was an article on the Atlantic that quoted a director of the Survey Research Center at the University of New Orleans who said that “There is a tremendous amount of anger and frustration among working-class whites, particularly where there is an economic downturn. These people feel left out; they feel government is not responsive to them.” Others talked about anger towards Washington and 'the establishment'. All of this is identical to what's been said in the last few years but these quotes are from back in 1990 and they're about the election where David Duke was nearly made a senator despite his opponent being an incumbent democrat that was endorsed by the GOP to stop Duke. Was that "economic anxiety"?

Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... on/546356/

I'm sure economic anxiety exists but it's tiring that people pretend that only white people suffer from it and that it's used to ignore the problem of racism.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:15 pm

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:16 pm


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Postby Telconi » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:16 pm

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:19 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:

I’ve seen him younger
I won’t lie he was attractive at a certain age, but Elvis?


I think he looked a lot like James Spader, playing much the same character of blond rich kid who fucks everything up for everyone else by being a weasel.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:21 pm

The thing about economic anxiety is that at the end of the day, the promises of the democrats sound sweeter to those affected by it. Young people are typically afraid because frankly, living is expensive. All of the insurance, the cost of apartments, food, electric, clothes. Hell most people I know won’t have kids purely for economic reasons, myself included. And all of this is fed more by this feeling that frankly nobody is getting paid enough unless they go horribly in debt to go to college
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