Usually, yes.
Consensus until an anomaly presents itself, as of now our climate models are pretty fucking on point.
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by Tarsonis » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:31 am
Valrifell wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
No you’re telling me things we should compromise over. Funny how they’re all things you want.
The only two suggesions I've made was not letting Miami drown and a vague notion of not fucking over the working class.
Again, you're imagining my views to cast me as the villainous hypocrite to morally justify why you're okay with Reps not compromising on the wall.
by Valrifell » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:33 am
Tarsonis wrote:Valrifell wrote:
The only two suggesions I've made was not letting Miami drown and a vague notion of not fucking over the working class.
Again, you're imagining my views to cast me as the villainous hypocrite to morally justify why you're okay with Reps not compromising on the wall.
Because you and everyone else who talks about compromising, aren’t being honest. Your notion of compromise is “give me what I want, and you get nothing” and you couch it in “my stance is reasonable your stance is not”
by Petrasylvania » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:33 am
by Tarsonis » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:34 am
by Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:34 am
Valrifell wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
No you’re telling me things we should compromise over. Funny how they’re all things you want.
The only two suggesions I've made was not letting Miami drown and a vague notion of not fucking over the working class.
Again, you're imagining my views to cast me as the villainous hypocrite to morally justify why you're okay with Reps not compromising on the wall.
by Petrasylvania » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:35 am
by Tarsonis » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:35 am
Valrifell wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Because you and everyone else who talks about compromising, aren’t being honest. Your notion of compromise is “give me what I want, and you get nothing” and you couch it in “my stance is reasonable your stance is not”
In the terms of the environment, I am right, though.
And these are the views of the party you support more, not mine. I'd be happy to up funding in the military for other stuff, relax gun laws for other stuff, and deregulate for other stuff.
The environment is non-negotiable for a variety of reasons, most of which boil down to "the experts agree with me and I like living (most days)"
by Tarsonis » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:36 am
by Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:36 am
Valrifell wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Because you and everyone else who talks about compromising, aren’t being honest. Your notion of compromise is “give me what I want, and you get nothing” and you couch it in “my stance is reasonable your stance is not”
In the terms of the environment, I am right, though.
And these are the views of the party you support more, not mine. I'd be happy to up funding in the military for other stuff, relax gun laws for other stuff, and deregulate for other stuff.
The environment is non-negotiable for a variety of reasons, most of which boil down to "the experts agree with me and I like living (most days)"
by Valrifell » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:38 am
Tarsonis wrote:Valrifell wrote:
Usually, yes.
Consensus until an anomaly presents itself, as of now our climate models are pretty fucking on point.
Nevermind the 97% figure is incredibly contrived, science is not done by consensus. If 97% of all scientists were in consensus that chlorophyll had nothing to do with photosynthesis, then 97% of scientists would be wrong.
by Valrifell » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:40 am
Tarsonis wrote:Valrifell wrote:
In the terms of the environment, I am right, though.
And these are the views of the party you support more, not mine. I'd be happy to up funding in the military for other stuff, relax gun laws for other stuff, and deregulate for other stuff.
The environment is non-negotiable for a variety of reasons, most of which boil down to "the experts agree with me and I like living (most days)"
Of course you are. “I’m right, my opponents wrong. And that’s just abject fact I’m in no way obligated to convince my opponents they must just capitulate to my sheer verocity.”
Funny how that hasn’t worked yet after 20 years
by Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:41 am
Valrifell wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Nevermind the 97% figure is incredibly contrived, science is not done by consensus. If 97% of all scientists were in consensus that chlorophyll had nothing to do with photosynthesis, then 97% of scientists would be wrong.
"99% of scientists say gravity exists, there's still a possibility that they're wrong so jury's out"
Again, consensus until anomaly, then divergence and new consensus. "Consensus" isn't even the right word, for "metascience" the term is "paradigm"
Yes, paradigm shifts happen. This does not render the predictions made thirty years ago (which are being proven right) invalid. Quite the opposite, a theory that survives this long under such scrutiny and skepticism tends to be correct. Like evolution.
Since the science and facts are in agreement we should not compromise.
by Tarsonis » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:42 am
Valrifell wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Nevermind the 97% figure is incredibly contrived, science is not done by consensus. If 97% of all scientists were in consensus that chlorophyll had nothing to do with photosynthesis, then 97% of scientists would be wrong.
"99% of scientists say gravity exists, there's still a possibility that they're wrong so jury's out"
Again, consensus until anomaly, then divergence and new consensus. "Consensus" isn't even the right word, for "metascience" the term is "paradigm"
Yes, paradigm shifts happen. This does not render the predictions made thirty years ago (which are being proven right) invalid. Quite the opposite, a theory that survives this long under such scrutiny and skepticism tends to be correct. Like evolution.
Since the science and facts are in agreement we should not compromise.
by Tarsonis » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:44 am
Valrifell wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Of course you are. “I’m right, my opponents wrong. And that’s just abject fact I’m in no way obligated to convince my opponents they must just capitulate to my sheer verocity.”
Funny how that hasn’t worked yet after 20 years
With regards to environment, you've elected to ignore the current scientific consensus under the notion that paradigm shifts happen. Clearly no amount of facts or logic will help here considering you've granted yourself a mechanism to handwave that.
All of this still doesn't change the fact that this argument is you trying to cast me in a particular role to justify how you can support Reps here with the wall while bemoaning the loss of compromise.
by Tarsonis » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:09 am
by Maineiacs » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:14 am
Tarsonis wrote:Valrifell wrote:
With regards to environment, you've elected to ignore the current scientific consensus under the notion that paradigm shifts happen. Clearly no amount of facts or logic will help here considering you've granted yourself a mechanism to handwave that.
All of this still doesn't change the fact that this argument is you trying to cast me in a particular role to justify how you can support Reps here with the wall while bemoaning the loss of compromise.
No I’ve ignore the consensus because the concensus isn’t proof of anything. 1000 years ago everyone thought Galen’s humors was “settled science”. The one guy who knows it’s bullshit doesn’t still practice it just because everyone else says so.
by Tarsonis » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:16 am
Maineiacs wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
No I’ve ignore the consensus because the concensus isn’t proof of anything. 1000 years ago everyone thought Galen’s humors was “settled science”. The one guy who knows it’s bullshit doesn’t still practice it just because everyone else says so.
So how do you know it's bullshit? What's your expertise in this area?
by Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:24 am
by Maineiacs » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:41 am
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:42 am
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:51 am
Tarsonis wrote:Valrifell wrote:
With regards to environment, you've elected to ignore the current scientific consensus under the notion that paradigm shifts happen. Clearly no amount of facts or logic will help here considering you've granted yourself a mechanism to handwave that.
All of this still doesn't change the fact that this argument is you trying to cast me in a particular role to justify how you can support Reps here with the wall while bemoaning the loss of compromise.
No I’ve ignore the consensus because the concensus isn’t proof of anything. 1000 years ago everyone thought Galen’s humors was “settled science”. The one guy who knows it’s bullshit doesn’t still practice it just because everyone else says so.
by Zurkerx » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:57 pm
Tarsonis wrote:Zurkerx wrote:Two in three Republicans would rather see a shutdown than compromise on the border wall
I wonder if they realize that Republicans will be blamed more for this? Or, if you're Trump, maybe find a way to sneak money into the defense budget and have the military build the wall
Republicans are always blamed for it.
Under Obama, Republicans were blamed for refusing to capitulate to the Democratic Majority. Now they'll be blamed because they're not ceding to the minority. A shut down is always the Republicans fault. The beauty of press that's majority Democrat.
by Valrifell » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:02 pm
Tarsonis wrote:Valrifell wrote:
With regards to environment, you've elected to ignore the current scientific consensus under the notion that paradigm shifts happen. Clearly no amount of facts or logic will help here considering you've granted yourself a mechanism to handwave that.
All of this still doesn't change the fact that this argument is you trying to cast me in a particular role to justify how you can support Reps here with the wall while bemoaning the loss of compromise.
No I’ve ignore the consensus because the concensus isn’t proof of anything. 1000 years ago everyone thought Galen’s humors was “settled science”. The one guy who knows it’s bullshit doesn’t still practice it just because everyone else says so.
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