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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:45 pm

Jerzyland wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Oh he’ll be running


I think it's up in the air until the Mueller Report is made public.

And he's probably gonna get primary-ed by someone of stature if Donnie decides he wants to stick it out another term. Modern sitting POTUSes who get primary-ed lose the general or pull out of the race early. Bush 41, Carter, LBJ.


I wouldn't count on the Mueller investigation, at all. If he gets primaried, it'll probably be by fucking Flake, so I can say with 90% confidence he is the GOP candidate in 2020, barring any unforeseen events (IE a scandal that actually sticks, etc etc).

What I am more optimistic about is his chances in 2020. Trump's ceiling in 2016 proved to be less than half the country, and while that number has dwindled by only a small amount, it's still enough to change the game in 2020. Whether or not his numbers continue to slowly dwindle (or just stagnate with small fluxes), well that can't be said with certainty.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:45 pm

Care Lyon wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Pretty sure the actual last laugh goes to all the people at the UN who spent his entire speech laughing at the stupidity.


That only energizes Trump's base! Americanism not globalism!


We're rapidly approaching Poe's Law.
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Postby Tobleste » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:47 pm

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tr ... nt-enough/

Interesting read. Apparently democrats earned the unusual accolade of getting so many house votes in 2018, they got closer to the vote total of the sitting president than any opposition party has since at least 1938.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:48 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Care Lyon wrote:
That only energizes Trump's base! Americanism not globalism!


We're rapidly approaching Poe's Law.

A no-post nation pops in out of nowhere with sloganeering and only now are we approaching Poe's Law?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:49 pm

Care Lyon wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Pretty sure the actual last laugh goes to all the people at the UN who spent his entire speech laughing at the stupidity.


That only energizes Trump's base! Americanism not globalism!


I still don't know how you got "more respected on the world stage" from his turning the country into a global punchline but eh.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:49 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
We're rapidly approaching Poe's Law.

A no-post nation pops in out of nowhere with sloganeering and only now are we approaching Poe's Law?


A bit slow to pick up on it, I'll admit.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Care Lyon wrote:
That only energizes Trump's base! Americanism not globalism!


I still don't know how you got "more respected on the world stage" from his turning the country into a global punchline but eh.

We were always like that since Bush II.
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Postby Jerzyland » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:50 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Jerzyland wrote:
I think it's up in the air until the Mueller Report is made public.

And he's probably gonna get primary-ed by someone of stature if Donnie decides he wants to stick it out another term. Modern sitting POTUSes who get primary-ed lose the general or pull out of the race early. Bush 41, Carter, LBJ.


I don't trust the Donald enough to not stoke his own ego and run as a third party candidate.

You have to keep in mind that, as far as we can tell, the man's only in it for himself.


That would elect a Dem. More crazy would be Donnie non chalantly announcing he was switching parties next summer, to Democrat, because he likes all the women there. So then he begins campaigning to pass the Equal Pay Act which soon buzzes straight through the House but crashes and dies in the Senate. He calls out McConnell as anti-women. ....well you get the idea. Donnie might do anything to save his skin.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:50 pm

Jerzyland wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Oh he’ll be running


I think it's up in the air until the Mueller Report is made public.

And he's probably gonna get primary-ed by someone of stature if Donnie decides he wants to stick it out another term. Modern sitting POTUSes who get primary-ed lose the general or pull out of the race early. Bush 41, Carter, LBJ.


He won't get primaried, for that very reason.
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Postby Care Lyon » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:54 pm

President Trump is pro-second amendment. He will protect the 2A rights of all Americans from tyranny. Why is it that the Dems want to ban certain guns? Which will lead to confiscations? This is not what the USA is about. Many Americans vote just for this very purpose. Why is it that many Democrat controlled cities are very, very anti-gun rights? It even took a Supreme Court ruling to overturn D.C.'s draconian laws in 2008.

I support the concealed carry reciprocity law, which was backed by Trump, but sadly it is unlikely to become law due to the opposition party and the police unions.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:55 pm

Care Lyon wrote:President Trump is pro-second amendment.


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Postby Jerzyland » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:56 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Jerzyland wrote:
I think it's up in the air until the Mueller Report is made public.

And he's probably gonna get primary-ed by someone of stature if Donnie decides he wants to stick it out another term. Modern sitting POTUSes who get primary-ed lose the general or pull out of the race early. Bush 41, Carter, LBJ.


I wouldn't count on the Mueller investigation, at all. If he gets primaried, it'll probably be by fucking Flake, so I can say with 90% confidence he is the GOP candidate in 2020, barring any unforeseen events (IE a scandal that actually sticks, etc etc).

What I am more optimistic about is his chances in 2020. Trump's ceiling in 2016 proved to be less than half the country, and while that number has dwindled by only a small amount, it's still enough to change the game in 2020. Whether or not his numbers continue to slowly dwindle (or just stagnate with small fluxes), well that can't be said with certainty.


But there is scandal. Now. And incompetence. Stuff isn't going away. And neither is Kasich. Agree with you on last bit, he had the perfect storm in 2016, those 2020 winds are not likely blowing that hard against his opponent's direction or favorably for him. The economy may falter as well. We are currently in a record long recovery. A correction is overdue and would be politically costly to Trump, and otherwise.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:56 pm

Care Lyon wrote:President Trump is pro-second amendment. He will protect the 2A rights of all Americans from tyranny. Why is it that the Dems want to ban certain guns? Which will lead to confiscations? This is not what the USA is about. Many Americans vote just for this very purpose. Why is it that many Democrat controlled cities are very, very anti-gun rights? It even took a Supreme Court ruling to overturn D.C.'s draconian laws in 2008.

I support the concealed carry reciprocity law, which was backed by Trump, but sadly it is unlikely to become law due to the opposition party and the police unions.


Reminder that Trump is the only president to say guns should be taken away without due process.
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Postby Care Lyon » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:57 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Care Lyon wrote:Trump is doing so well on many fronts, the economy, jobs jobs jobs! And making America more respected on the global stage! I can't wait to see him finish his term in 2024


Talking points are so fucking easy.

His whole cabinet has been one big mess after another, the GDP growth and job growth is a direct result of a bull market that has been around since before Trump (President's can't fully or even come close to controlling markets unless through sweeping, large-scale changes), his environmental policies are trash, his lies almost daily, and his administration/the GOP Congress passes bill after bill that undermines our country. Tax cut bill that will dig us deeper in debt and only help those at the top? Check. Gutting public funds for vital government programs and sending it straight to the military? Check.

The list goes on and on. I can agree with Trump on a few issues, just as I can disagree with my own party on a lot of issues. But bottom line is, there always seems to be a talking point amongst Republicans that goes "jobs, economy doing good" when that's not even the full picture. Plus, it doesn't begin to cover objectively the mess this administration has really been.

To quote Trump himself, we oughta drain the swamp in 2020.


The military spending comprises a lot of our GDP. Many all across the country all employed in defense jobs from manufacturing to front lines. I have no idea why the democrats want to gut the budget and allow China and Russia to get the edge.

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Postby Jerzyland » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:57 pm

Telconi wrote:
Jerzyland wrote:
I think it's up in the air until the Mueller Report is made public.

And he's probably gonna get primary-ed by someone of stature if Donnie decides he wants to stick it out another term. Modern sitting POTUSes who get primary-ed lose the general or pull out of the race early. Bush 41, Carter, LBJ.


He won't get primaried, for that very reason.


Pollyanna.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:58 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Care Lyon wrote:President Trump is pro-second amendment. He will protect the 2A rights of all Americans from tyranny. Why is it that the Dems want to ban certain guns? Which will lead to confiscations? This is not what the USA is about. Many Americans vote just for this very purpose. Why is it that many Democrat controlled cities are very, very anti-gun rights? It even took a Supreme Court ruling to overturn D.C.'s draconian laws in 2008.

I support the concealed carry reciprocity law, which was backed by Trump, but sadly it is unlikely to become law due to the opposition party and the police unions.


Reminder that Trump is the only president to say guns should be taken away without due process.


Why you always forget your boy Obama?
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:06 pm

Care Lyon wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Number one, job creation is only slightly increased from Obama. The economy is the same as... the end of Obama's term. Respect is not bending over to Saudi Arabia
.


President Trump is creating economic growth and upward mobility for all Americans, by reducing the overall tax burden (corporate tax) he has created more wealth and economic growth than any other president in modern history. Obama failed the USA on many, many fronts. Trump has yet to crash the economy!

Obama didn't crash the economy. That was the subprime lending market, which Obama's policies fixed. And I think that's about wrong. Think of Roosevelt.


Anyway, the corporate tax burden reduction results in nothing but kickbacks.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:07 pm

Care Lyon wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Talking points are so fucking easy.

His whole cabinet has been one big mess after another, the GDP growth and job growth is a direct result of a bull market that has been around since before Trump (President's can't fully or even come close to controlling markets unless through sweeping, large-scale changes), his environmental policies are trash, his lies almost daily, and his administration/the GOP Congress passes bill after bill that undermines our country. Tax cut bill that will dig us deeper in debt and only help those at the top? Check. Gutting public funds for vital government programs and sending it straight to the military? Check.

The list goes on and on. I can agree with Trump on a few issues, just as I can disagree with my own party on a lot of issues. But bottom line is, there always seems to be a talking point amongst Republicans that goes "jobs, economy doing good" when that's not even the full picture. Plus, it doesn't begin to cover objectively the mess this administration has really been.

To quote Trump himself, we oughta drain the swamp in 2020.


The military spending comprises a lot of our GDP. Many all across the country all employed in defense jobs from manufacturing to front lines. I have no idea why the democrats want to gut the budget and allow China and Russia to get the edge.

They have the edge right now, because we're bending over backwards to them. And also, not many people are employed in those defense jobs.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:08 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Care Lyon wrote:
President Trump is creating economic growth and upward mobility for all Americans, by reducing the overall tax burden (corporate tax) he has created more wealth and economic growth than any other president in modern history. Obama failed the USA on many, many fronts. Trump has yet to crash the economy!

Obama didn't crash the economy. That was the subprime lending market, which Obama's policies fixed. And I think that's about wrong. Think of Roosevelt.


Anyway, the corporate tax burden reduction results in nothing but kickbacks.


But I like kickbacks.
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Postby Vince Vaughn » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:08 pm

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Postby The South Falls » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:08 pm

Telconi wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Obama didn't crash the economy. That was the subprime lending market, which Obama's policies fixed. And I think that's about wrong. Think of Roosevelt.


Anyway, the corporate tax burden reduction results in nothing but kickbacks.


But I like kickbacks.

For CEOs.
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Postby Dahon » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:10 pm

Care Lyon wrote:Trump is doing so well on many fronts, the economy, jobs jobs jobs! And making America more respected on the global stage! I can't wait to see him finish his term in 2024


*howls in utter despair*

HOW THE UTTER FUCK
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:10 pm

Dahon wrote:
Care Lyon wrote:Trump is doing so well on many fronts, the economy, jobs jobs jobs! And making America more respected on the global stage! I can't wait to see him finish his term in 2024


*howls in utter despair*

HOW THE UTTER FUCK

He's the leftist caricature of a rightist.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:11 pm

Dahon wrote:
Care Lyon wrote:Trump is doing so well on many fronts, the economy, jobs jobs jobs! And making America more respected on the global stage! I can't wait to see him finish his term in 2024


*howls in utter despair*

HOW THE UTTER FUCK

First, calm down.
Second, I doubt that Lyon is being sincere.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:12 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Dahon wrote:
*howls in utter despair*

HOW THE UTTER FUCK

First, calm down.
Second, I doubt that Lyon is being sincere.

They're doing a terrible job of it.
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