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[Conserative Morality]

International law right now is a joke. The same countries that have lambasted America for basically everything (France, Germany, much of the EU, China, etc.) have oceans of blood on their hands. And if you’re worried about our reputation, we’ve been disliked by most of the world since this nation was founded. It’s a little too late, and useless, to worry about our reputation in the current year.

We've actually been much-beloved and the leader of the free world essentially since WW1. But w/e, whatever helps the argument that we should toss diplomacy out the window in exchange for Trump.

[Petrasylvania]

International law right now is a joke. The same countries that have lambasted America for basically everything (France, Germany, much of the EU, China, etc.) have oceans of blood on their hands. And if you’re worried about our reputation, we’ve been disliked by most of the world since this nation was founded. It’s a little too late, and useless, to worry about our reputation in the current year.

We've actually been much-beloved and the leader of the free world essentially since WW1. But w/e, whatever helps the argument that we should toss diplomacy out the window in exchange for Trump.

It's troubling that half the country worships a spoiled brat that has ruined numerous lives and has never been held accountable or faced punishment for it.

[Zurkerx]

Is it though? I could have sworn he's only there for a short period of time, which Congress must approve someone in that time frame. Then again, I'm not entirely sure how this all works so...

It's not so simple here. It's DOJ and there's an investigation involving among other things Trump and pals. But besides that, to be by the book, er, the US Constitution, he needed to be confirmed at some time prior. That even seems to be the view of Kellyanne Conway's husband who is a legal scholar.

Oh to be a fly on their bedroom wall.

Kellyanne with hubby

NO! WAIT!!!

I see, makes sense. Then his appointment violates the Appointments Clause within the Constitution.

But Jerzy, why you get me this image of the Conways... *shields eyes

[Petrasylvania]

It's not so simple here. It's DOJ and there's an investigation involving among other things Trump and pals. But besides that, to be by the book, er, the US Constitution, he needed to be confirmed at some time prior. That even seems to be the view of Kellyanne Conway's husband who is a legal scholar.

Oh to be a fly on their bedroom wall.

Kellyanne with hubby

NO! WAIT!!!

I see, makes sense. Then his appointment violates the Appointments Clause within the Constitution.

But Jerzy, why you get me this image of the Conways... *shields eyes

"It's 'alternative positions'."

[Luminesa]

I’ll admit she’s okay on the backing vocals for Finesse, but otherwise...naaaaaaaaah. Sorry bruh.

;__;

I mean having war criminals is one thing, if you’re sorry for your deeds and/or you want to help a better cause than the one you were helping. It’s still sketchy, but people CAN change.

That seems like bullshit to me, but it makes me kinda happy you have that kind of faith in people- however, I don't know why you then wouldn't have that for some specific Sri Lankan war criminals only.

But according to the article the UN not only hired war criminals, but did nothing about what they were actively doing in the region and in fact hid what they were doing in the region.

What exactly did NASA and the US government do about the rocket scientists we hired who oversaw slave labor at their missile facilities? Yes, it's terrible, but it's hardly unique or proof the whole institution must go. Otherwise most security agencies, intelligence services, and militaries around the world would have to be disbanded, along with a whole lot of other businesses and organizations.

And in the meantime Sri Lanka is still a wreck.

Sri Lanka's civil war has been over for a number of years.

I think it needs to be remade into something else, not taken down and left in ruins. We could make it into something far better.

Easy to say vague shit like this, hard to actually do the nitty-gritty. See also: Brexit.

If it’s supposed to prevent wars then it has failed miserably in most cases.

Literally untrue. We haven't had a great power war since 1945 and worldwide, deaths in battle have fallen dramatically. You just hear about the conflicts that are going on a lot more thanks to the modern global communications system and the media.

And if it’s not meant to solve wars then it has no use. We haven’t had nuclear warfare, and what makes you think NK or Russia would listen to a toothless organization if they truly felt like nuking other countries? Giving a sternly-worded letter to a couple countries isn’t going to stop them from killing each other, and hasn’t.

You're just not correct. The UN has done a fuckton of work to help avert major wars since the end of World War Two. Without it, we might be living in some crappy knockoff version of Fallout.

The bodies of millions of Rwandans lie long-dead as proof.

The UN was never supposed to go solve every country's internal problems, and it's never been given the tools to either, even though it's been asked to of late. Proceeding to complain when it inevitably fails is pretty much the shittiest, least helpful, least productive thing you could possibly do in response.

People have been turning away from us as far back as WWI. Trump didn’t start that fire.

...what?

Did you hit your head really hard in 1919 and are only just now coming 'round?

I can concede that the US likes overblown stunts, but I’m not sure if that’s the case in this case...actually it does seem to be part of the case at least, but there were other countries the US was mad at.


Please, come up with those rules, I'm sure it'll be a piece of cake.

Oh, and also, once the army is faced with incredibly restrictive rules of engagement and almost never deployed because the great powers (and the little ones too, for that matter) can never agree on how or when to use it and are all scared about the precedent that such a violation of sovereignty would set and what the implications for the international system would even be, and once the US probably pays for most of its equipment and training because no one else will, and once it probably fails to perform effectively in combat due to organizational problems and gets schmacked by some third world jackass and completely discredits the UN and possibly brings down the whole institution, please, complain loudly about it and blame the UN for it.


International law is not and never has been a joke. It's the fucking basis for the world order.

The idea that someone else behaving badly gives you the right to respond in kind is honestly at the root of a ton of human problems at every scale, whether it's a relationship or a schoolyard or political parties or the world order. Kindly stop advancing it.

Untrue and irrelevant.

Untrue.

Patently false and utterly ridiculous. Everyone worries about their reputation and with good fucking reason.

I don’t know man, the Marshall Plan really boosted our popularity. Add in music, Hollywood and most pop culture, and we’re pretty well liked. (Even though certain European snobs are still sticking to their “America has no culture” guns.

America used blue jeans and rock'n'roll! It's super effective!

The USSR has fainted!

What about hitting my head? Shoot, we could go back further. Remember how the French was one of our allies when we had literally just became the US, and because stuff happened the French ended-up hating us for a while? During Napoleon’s time. I’m saying if you’re worried about our reputation, people have and will always hate the US. I wouldn’t lose sleep over it.

Also I couldn’t have hit my head in 1919 because in 1919 my great-grandmother was a small girl and I wasn’t even a twinkle in God’s eye. Maybe in 1996 I hit my head, probably in 1998, and in 2006 specifically I got hit in the head with a dodgeball. That’ll do it in most cases.

[Luminesa]

International law right now is a joke. The same countries that have lambasted America for basically everything (France, Germany, much of the EU, China, etc.) have oceans of blood on their hands. And if you’re worried about our reputation, we’ve been disliked by most of the world since this nation was founded. It’s a little too late, and useless, to worry about our reputation in the current year.

I don’t know man, the Marshall Plan really boosted our popularity. Add in music, Hollywood and most pop culture, and we’re pretty well liked. (Even though certain European snobs are still sticking to their “America has no culture” guns.

Depends on the country, many countries hate the globalization we’ve caused, and one can argue that in some cases globalization has also eroded some of the local cultures in distant countries. But you are right that we are popular. Just...not in a lot of places around the world.

[Conserative Morality]

Approval data

[Senkaku]

;__;


That seems like bullshit to me, but it makes me kinda happy you have that kind of faith in people- however, I don't know why you then wouldn't have that for some specific Sri Lankan war criminals only.

What exactly did NASA and the US government do about the rocket scientists we hired who oversaw slave labor at their missile facilities? Yes, it's terrible, but it's hardly unique or proof the whole institution must go. Otherwise most security agencies, intelligence services, and militaries around the world would have to be disbanded, along with a whole lot of other businesses and organizations.

Sri Lanka's civil war has been over for a number of years.


Easy to say vague shit like this, hard to actually do the nitty-gritty. See also: Brexit.

Literally untrue. We haven't had a great power war since 1945 and worldwide, deaths in battle have fallen dramatically. You just hear about the conflicts that are going on a lot more thanks to the modern global communications system and the media.

You're just not correct. The UN has done a fuckton of work to help avert major wars since the end of World War Two. Without it, we might be living in some crappy knockoff version of Fallout.

The UN was never supposed to go solve every country's internal problems, and it's never been given the tools to either, even though it's been asked to of late. Proceeding to complain when it inevitably fails is pretty much the shittiest, least helpful, least productive thing you could possibly do in response.



...what?

Did you hit your head really hard in 1919 and are only just now coming 'round?


Patently false and utterly ridiculous. Everyone worries about their reputation and with good fucking reason.


America used blue jeans and rock'n'roll! It's super effective!

The USSR has fainted!

What about hitting my head? Shoot, we could go back further. Remember how the French was one of our allies when we had literally just became the US, and because stuff happened the French ended-up hating us for a while? During Napoleon’s time.

That's cool and all but since the start of the 20th century America has become the world's leading economic, military, and cultural power, and correspondingly has become far more involved on the global stage, so what other countries (AKA potential partners or enemies) think of us has become rather more important.

I’m saying if you’re worried about our reputation, people have and will always hate the US. I wouldn’t lose sleep over it.

Yeah, cool, but I'm not really talking about it just like in the context of America stress-eating at 2 AM and agonizing about all her mistakes because one of the other girls called her a bitch in the groupchat or whatever.

Also I couldn’t have hit my head in 1919 because in 1919 my great-grandmother was a small girl and I wasn’t even a twinkle in God’s eye. Maybe in 1996 I hit my head, probably in 1998, and in 2006 specifically I got hit in the head with a dodgeball. That’ll do it in most cases.

Was it like one of the squishy foam ones they use in like school gym classes and shit, or was it like a rubbery one or an actual hard one? Also was it like hard or not that hard? (And was it a good game of dodgeball?)

[Senkaku]

I don’t know man, the Marshall Plan really boosted our popularity. Add in music, Hollywood and most pop culture, and we’re pretty well liked. (Even though certain European snobs are still sticking to their “America has no culture” guns.

Depends on the country, many countries hate the globalization we’ve caused,

many people, not necessarily whole countries as monoliths, and we were FAR from the sole cause but continue

and one can argue that in some cases globalization has also eroded some of the local cultures in distant countries.

I mean yea I think when you water it down like that it's hard for anyone to disagree

But you are right that we are popular. Just...not in a lot of places around the world.

And you know what a good thing about being liked is? It makes it a hell of a lot easier to get people to do what you want them to do than if they don't like you and you have to force them.

[Nakena]

Approval data

Mexican approval rates went down.

What a surprise.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Approval data

Uff.

Israel at that 70+ while Egypt is ~10.

Weird, I wonder why we support the Zionists these days.

[Petrasylvania]

Approval data

Uff.

Israel at that 70+ while Egypt is ~10.

Weird, I wonder why we support the Zionists these days.

Bat Signal For Jesus.

[Valrifell]

Approval data

Mexican approval rates went down.

What a surprise.

Out of all the downward trends in opinions, you picked that one to comment on.

[Napkiraly]

Approval data

Uff.

Israel at that 70+ while Egypt is ~10.

Weird, I wonder why we support the Zionists these days.

Tbf the Israelis should never be fully trusted or supported, given their propensity for selling American military technology to the Chinese.

[Arouran]

Obama,bush,and Clinton only tried to please the party they are alligned with.And about Obama's pick..Garland,well we have enough liberal judges in this country so he would have been a horrible judge who sides with liberals but not the Constitution.I also feel abortion needs to be illegal in America.Only God decides your fate,not man.How can anyone kill a baby and think it's ok or use the ecuse of convenience because the woman can't keep her legs closed and that man cannot control himself. Killing a baby is in the same league as going out and shooting somebody dead, absolutely no damn difference what -so-ever.Its sick and so wrong.

[Vassenor]

Obama,bush,and Clinton only tried to please the party they are alligned with.And about Obama's pick..Garland,well we have enough liberal judges in this country so he would have been a horrible judge who sides with liberals but not the Constitution.I also feel abortion needs to be illegal in America.Only God decides your fate,not man.How can anyone kill a baby and think it's ok or use the ecuse of convenience because the woman can't keep her legs closed and that man cannot control himself. Killing a baby is in the same league as going out and shooting somebody dead, absolutely no damn difference what -so-ever.Its sick and so wrong.

So what does any of that have to do with Trump?

[Petrasylvania]

Obama,bush,and Clinton only tried to please the party they are alligned with.And about Obama's pick..Garland,well we have enough liberal judges in this country so he would have been a horrible judge who sides with liberals but not the Constitution.I also feel abortion needs to be illegal in America.Only God decides your fate,not man.How can anyone kill a baby and think it's ok or use the ecuse of convenience because the woman can't keep her legs closed and that man cannot control himself. Killing a baby is in the same league as going out and shooting somebody dead, absolutely no damn difference what -so-ever.Its sick and so wrong.

So what does any of that have to do with Trump?

BUT BUSH, BUT CLINTON, BUT OBAMA all in a single pack.

[Sane Outcasts]

Daily reminder that Trump is still an ass

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!

[Thuzbekistan]

Daily reminder that Trump is still an ass

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!

I was horrified by that statement. There is no way anyone can justify this.

[Petrasylvania]

Daily reminder that Trump is still an ass

I was horrified by that statement. There is no way anyone can justify this.

But justify they will. Some by insisting Commiefornia deserves to burn.

[Geneviev]

Daily reminder that Trump is still an ass

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!

That is wrong, President Trump shouldn't have said that.

[Thuzbekistan]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 7960870913

This is a very surprising statement.

In all fairness, Nancy Pelosi deserves to be chosen Speaker of the House by the Democrats. If they give her a hard time, perhaps we will add some Republican votes. She has earned this great honor!

[Petrasylvania]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1060162807960870913

This is a very surprising statement.

In all fairness, Nancy Pelosi deserves to be chosen Speaker of the House by the Democrats. If they give her a hard time, perhaps we will add some Republican votes. She has earned this great honor!

A cynical attempt to get Pelosi chosen Speaker again just so the Republicans still have a Two Minutes Hate they can rile up the base with.

[Ifreann]

Daily reminder that Trump is still an ass

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!

Remedy the mismanagement of California's forests...now? When the forests are on fire?

That's...uh...that's impossible...

[Vassenor]

Daily reminder that Trump is still an ass

Remedy the mismanagement of California's forests...now? When the forests are on fire?

That's...uh...that's impossible...

That's the point. Set an impossible target to justify yanking all federal funding to the state because reasons.